(12-19-2024, 02:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 11:58 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]As enlightened as we have become “boys don’t like girls who are smarter than them, you’ll never get a husband like that” is still a prevalent thing among way too many people. It’s been only about 50 years or so where a woman could get her own checking account without a husband. Girls have just recently started to be pushed towards STEM programs.
Think about how you talk to little boys and little girls. Boys get told how smart they are, how strong they are, how clever they are. Girls get told how pretty they are. Of course not everyone does this, and it’s becoming less common because people realize how detrimental this kind of praise is, you I should say lack of praise is for little girls.
So dads on here, next time you tell your daughter she’s pretty, tell her how freaking awesome and smart she is too!
I'm involved with my two kids at church and at cub scouts. I never heard anyone talk to the girls (and about 1/4 of the scouts are girls now) about how pretty or cute they are. That message has been received at least in my neck of the woods.
However the social scientists are raising alarm bells with Gen Z (who are in their 20s now) that the girls have absorbed the "get as much education and professional development as possible" message but the boys have not absorbed the "your partner may be more accomplished than you and that's OK" message. Seems we recalibrated one of the genders without recalibrating the other.
FWIW L2L and I both are with women who are more accomplished and higher earning than us. But the polling consistently says that most younger unattached men don't want that for themselves.
Well since you’ve never heard it, it must not have ever happen in the history of ever.
Did you miss the part where I’ve said it’s less common now that it has been in the past? Which is a wonderful thing, because people are realizing that harm that kind of thinking produced.
My son earns less than his partner right now and has absolutely no problem with it. She earns more now, but that won’t always be the case from the nature of his earning potential with his career path. Whoever earns more in their relationship doesn’t matter to either of them because they are both in the “yay money” mindset.
(12-19-2024, 02:43 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 02:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm involved with my two kids at church and at cub scouts. I never heard anyone talk to the girls (and about 1/4 of the scouts are girls now) about how pretty or cute they are. That message has been received at least in my neck of the woods.
However the social scientists are raising alarm bells with Gen Z (who are in their 20s now) that the girls have absorbed the "get as much education and professional development as possible" message but the boys have not absorbed the "your partner may be more accomplished than you and that's OK" message. Seems we recalibrated one of the genders without recalibrating the other.
FWIW L2L and I both are with women who are more accomplished and higher earning than us. But the polling consistently says that most younger unattached men don't want that for themselves.
Well since you’ve never heard it, it must not have ever happen in the history of ever.
Did you miss the part where I’ve said it’s less common now that it has been in the past? Which is a wonderful thing, because people are realizing that harm that kind of thinking produced.
My son earns less than his partner right now and has absolutely no problem with it. She earns more now, but that won’t always be the case from the nature of his earning potential with his career path. Whoever earns more in their relationship doesn’t matter to either of them because they are both in the “yay money” mindset.
that describes my younger son and his wife completely. I am gonna steal that from you!
(12-19-2024, 08:52 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I got interested because of the video title, but chess is just the example he uses to enter the subject. Why aren't women as good at chess as men? What that leads to is the question, why aren't there more women at the highest level of math and science? There are a variety of theories. The two main ones are: a) lack of participation, and b) inherent differences in mental ability at the highest level. In other words, even though on average, women have the same mental abilities as men, there are more really brilliant men and more really stupid men. And then, does the same theory apply when it comes to professional sports and the dominance of African American athletes at the highest level?
Why do men dominate chess?
I was reading a study or maybe just a discussion about this. The consensus was that many more men play chess than women, so naturally there are more high profile male chess players than females.
It was also said that when women play chess against men they feel more pressure and make mistakes they wouldn't ordinarily make, like they are expected to lose. They don't feel this pressure when playing another female. Pretty interesting
(12-19-2024, 11:58 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]As enlightened as we have become “boys don’t like girls who are smarter than them, you’ll never get a husband like that” is still a prevalent thing among way too many people. It’s been only about 50 years or so where a woman could get her own checking account without a husband. Girls have just recently started to be pushed towards STEM programs.
Think about how you talk to little boys and little girls. Boys get told how smart they are, how strong they are, how clever they are. Girls get told how pretty they are. Of course not everyone does this, and it’s becoming less common because people realize how detrimental this kind of praise is, you I should say lack of praise is for little girls.
So dads on here, next time you tell your daughter she’s pretty, tell her how freaking awesome and smart she is too!
OP is just trying to explain to your pretty little head that women may be cute when they pretend to be functional human adults, but they're better off doing what God intended them to do.
This is going to be a fun few years.
(12-19-2024, 12:11 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 11:41 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I can see this. The trick in my opinion is to just see people. Anytime you try to artificially make things "equal" by passing laws, demonizing others or protesting you actually set things back. Instead if you concentrate on providing equal chances for all people then competition will sort this out over time, the cream will rise to the top. Those people that choose to do the work and take advantage of this will improve their lot in life those that don't will not. Racism is a two edged sword.
That's idealistic, but what happens when the cream rises to the top and it's mostly from one group? People start looking for reasons that fit their own point of view. Then the blame game starts, and the assumption from some people is that the "winning" group got there because of an unfair system. And if you don't agree with that, you get burned at the stake.
Right now in chess, they've tried to rectify the inequality by setting up special tournaments just for women, and a special category of grandmaster, called "women's grandmaster" where women can qualify for that title without being a real grandmaster. Supposedly this is to encourage more women to participate in chess. I think that whole approach is very demeaning to women, and some women who hold the real grandmaster title have refused to participate in such activities.
It's called human nature. If you go to the biblical story of Adam and Eve you see two people who were created to be stewards over the earth, not over other people but over the animals and such. They could have anything they wanted except to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge Good and Evil (something like that). They were 100% fine with that until the serpent tells Eve what she's (allegedly) missing, what's being withheld from her, why she's incomplete without being able to eat from that tree. And it was a lie.
That is what's wrong with society in general and it's been happening for millennia. Add that to what Bunnie said about how differently boys and girls are talked to and the fact that women not only couldn't have a checkbook of her own but couldn't buy anything that required a loan without her husband's signature. They also couldn't have their name on a news story even though they did all the research and wrote the articles. They had to turn it over to the men who put their names on it and were called 'brilliant'. That was in the 70s and these things and so much more was some [BLEEP].
It takes a couple of generations at the very least to weed that patriarchal BS out of people's minds but many, mostly southern white men, just can't let it go so it lingers and a diluted version is passed down to their kids who are told the things Bunnie mentioned and those kids grow up with a distorted view of themselves and the world. Just as Eve was told what was 'wrong' with her, us girls are too, just in different ways. I'm obviously not a boy and can't speak to that but I'm sure it's similar.
And don't even get me started on what present day so-called 'feminists' have done to undo so much of what my mother's generation started for women's rights.
I went off the rails from your original intent for this subject but you only have two of us here that can give a woman's perspective and Bunnie had her say. I get a bit....animated on this subject.
As for math and science, I sucked at both. Hardcore. If there is dyslexia or something similar in math I have it. Without math you don't have science. Or a career in the medical field above a nursing assistant or EMT. I wanted to be a nurse or a cardiac ultrasonographer in the Army but both required math that my mind couldn't process so I was a medic. I actually was not a good student across the board because I had undiagnosed ADHD (inattentive) and my brain couldn't learn the same way normal kids could. I believe things like that also affect how girls and boys think and grow into adult men and women and what they end up going into.
(12-19-2024, 09:06 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 12:11 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]That's idealistic, but what happens when the cream rises to the top and it's mostly from one group? People start looking for reasons that fit their own point of view. Then the blame game starts, and the assumption from some people is that the "winning" group got there because of an unfair system. And if you don't agree with that, you get burned at the stake.
Right now in chess, they've tried to rectify the inequality by setting up special tournaments just for women, and a special category of grandmaster, called "women's grandmaster" where women can qualify for that title without being a real grandmaster. Supposedly this is to encourage more women to participate in chess. I think that whole approach is very demeaning to women, and some women who hold the real grandmaster title have refused to participate in such activities.
It's called human nature. If you go to the biblical story of Adam and Eve you see two people who were created to be stewards over the earth, not over other people but over the animals and such. They could have anything they wanted except to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge Good and Evil (something like that). They were 100% fine with that until the serpent tells Eve what she's (allegedly) missing, what's being withheld from her, why she's incomplete without being able to eat from that tree. And it was a lie.
That is what's wrong with society in general and it's been happening for millennia. Add that to what Bunnie said about how differently boys and girls are talked to and the fact that women not only couldn't have a checkbook of her own but couldn't buy anything that required a loan without her husband's signature. They also couldn't have their name on a news story even though they did all the research and wrote the articles. They had to turn it over to the men who put their names on it and were called 'brilliant'. That was in the 70s and these things and so much more was some [BLEEP].
It takes a couple of generations at the very least to weed that patriarchal BS out of people's minds but many, mostly southern white men, just can't let it go so it lingers and a diluted version is passed down to their kids who are told the things Bunnie mentioned and those kids grow up with a distorted view of themselves and the world. Just as Eve was told what was 'wrong' with her, us girls are too, just in different ways. I'm obviously not a boy and can't speak to that but I'm sure it's similar.
And don't even get me started on what present day so-called 'feminists' have done to undo so much of what my mother's generation started for women's rights.
I went off the rails from your original intent for this subject but you only have two of us here that can give a woman's perspective and Bunnie had her say. I get a bit....animated on this subject.
As for math and science, I sucked at both. Hardcore. If there is dyslexia or something similar in math I have it. Without math you don't have science. Or a career in the medical field above a nursing assistant or EMT. I wanted to be a nurse or a cardiac ultrasonographer in the Army but both required math that my mind couldn't process so I was a medic. I actually was not a good student across the board because I had undiagnosed ADHD (inattentive) and my brain couldn't learn the same way normal kids could. I believe things like that also affect how girls and boys think and grow into adult men and women and what they end up going into.
It was still true as I was growing up. If a girl stunk at math, the school would just say oh well. But if a boy stunk at math they would try to figure out what learning disability he had and get him a tutor. A girl with a learning difficulty either had to stick up for herself, or have parents who stuck up for her, because the teachers were going to let her fall through the cracks.
(12-19-2024, 09:24 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 02:26 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand this post. You are a white man, yes? I thought the topic was, what might work to increase professional success for girls or minorities. So if you can't tell us that your approach works for anyone but you, what exactly are you contributing to this conversation?
First the bolded is a pretty poor statement. Also, appears you are just being obtuse. Is it deliberate?
Well, sure. Because I have success at something doesn't mean everyone will. It worked for me also the guy who mentored me. Last I checked for those that moved on to a lot better positions and careers. (Time frame was 5-7 years) In fact a quite a few are pretty successful executives, Managers etc. in fortune 100 companies. That depended on what they wanted out of life a few began their own businesses. (Plumbers, electricians different trades, one runs a crane at the port) Your suppose to mentor people in life. Don'tcha know?
You have a pretty high opinion of your impact as a mentor.
One of the guys I mentored just had his face all over ESPN for a week or two last year. But all I said was, "hey I know that guy!" Not "look at the impact I had!"
(12-19-2024, 09:24 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 09:06 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]It's called human nature. If you go to the biblical story of Adam and Eve you see two people who were created to be stewards over the earth, not over other people but over the animals and such. They could have anything they wanted except to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge Good and Evil (something like that). They were 100% fine with that until the serpent tells Eve what she's (allegedly) missing, what's being withheld from her, why she's incomplete without being able to eat from that tree. And it was a lie.
That is what's wrong with society in general and it's been happening for millennia. Add that to what Bunnie said about how differently boys and girls are talked to and the fact that women not only couldn't have a checkbook of her own but couldn't buy anything that required a loan without her husband's signature. They also couldn't have their name on a news story even though they did all the research and wrote the articles. They had to turn it over to the men who put their names on it and were called 'brilliant'. That was in the 70s and these things and so much more was some [BLEEP].
It takes a couple of generations at the very least to weed that patriarchal BS out of people's minds but many, mostly southern white men, just can't let it go so it lingers and a diluted version is passed down to their kids who are told the things Bunnie mentioned and those kids grow up with a distorted view of themselves and the world. Just as Eve was told what was 'wrong' with her, us girls are too, just in different ways. I'm obviously not a boy and can't speak to that but I'm sure it's similar.
And don't even get me started on what present day so-called 'feminists' have done to undo so much of what my mother's generation started for women's rights.
I went off the rails from your original intent for this subject but you only have two of us here that can give a woman's perspective and Bunnie had her say. I get a bit....animated on this subject.
As for math and science, I sucked at both. Hardcore. If there is dyslexia or something similar in math I have it. Without math you don't have science. Or a career in the medical field above a nursing assistant or EMT. I wanted to be a nurse or a cardiac ultrasonographer in the Army but both required math that my mind couldn't process so I was a medic. I actually was not a good student across the board because I had undiagnosed ADHD (inattentive) and my brain couldn't learn the same way normal kids could. I believe things like that also affect how girls and boys think and grow into adult men and women and what they end up going into.
It was still true as I was growing up. If a girl stunk at math, the school would just say oh well. But if a boy stunk at math they would try to figure out what learning disability he had and get him a tutor. A girl with a learning difficulty either had to stick up for herself, or have parents who stuck up for her, because the teachers were going to let her fall through the cracks.
(12-19-2024, 09:24 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]First the bolded is a pretty poor statement. Also, appears you are just being obtuse. Is it deliberate?
Well, sure. Because I have success at something doesn't mean everyone will. It worked for me also the guy who mentored me. Last I checked for those that moved on to a lot better positions and careers. (Time frame was 5-7 years) In fact a quite a few are pretty successful executives, Managers etc. in fortune 100 companies. That depended on what they wanted out of life a few began their own businesses. (Plumbers, electricians different trades, one runs a crane at the port) Your suppose to mentor people in life. Don'tcha know?
You have a pretty high opinion of your impact as a mentor.
One of the guys I mentored just had his face all over ESPN for a week or two last year. But all I said was, "hey I know that guy!" Not "look at the impact I had!"
Well, first off you asked what I was contributing to the conversation. Explained my opinion best I could. Very sorry you took it that way as that is not what I intended to communicate. Second I didn't do anything but help someone/give them a chance. THEY did the rest. I did have a good career. Those people helped me as much as I did them. Without them there would have been no need for me .
(12-19-2024, 09:06 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 12:11 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]That's idealistic, but what happens when the cream rises to the top and it's mostly from one group? People start looking for reasons that fit their own point of view. Then the blame game starts, and the assumption from some people is that the "winning" group got there because of an unfair system. And if you don't agree with that, you get burned at the stake.
Right now in chess, they've tried to rectify the inequality by setting up special tournaments just for women, and a special category of grandmaster, called "women's grandmaster" where women can qualify for that title without being a real grandmaster. Supposedly this is to encourage more women to participate in chess. I think that whole approach is very demeaning to women, and some women who hold the real grandmaster title have refused to participate in such activities.
It's called human nature. If you go to the biblical story of Adam and Eve you see two people who were created to be stewards over the earth, not over other people but over the animals and such. They could have anything they wanted except to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge Good and Evil (something like that). They were 100% fine with that until the serpent tells Eve what she's (allegedly) missing, what's being withheld from her, why she's incomplete without being able to eat from that tree. And it was a lie.
That is what's wrong with society in general and it's been happening for millennia. Add that to what Bunnie said about how differently boys and girls are talked to and the fact that women not only couldn't have a checkbook of her own but couldn't buy anything that required a loan without her husband's signature. They also couldn't have their name on a news story even though they did all the research and wrote the articles. They had to turn it over to the men who put their names on it and were called 'brilliant'. That was in the 70s and these things and so much more was some [BLEEP].
It takes a couple of generations at the very least to weed that patriarchal BS out of people's minds but many, mostly southern white men, just can't let it go so it lingers and a diluted version is passed down to their kids who are told the things Bunnie mentioned and those kids grow up with a distorted view of themselves and the world. Just as Eve was told what was 'wrong' with her, us girls are too, just in different ways. I'm obviously not a boy and can't speak to that but I'm sure it's similar.
And don't even get me started on what present day so-called 'feminists' have done to undo so much of what my mother's generation started for women's rights.
I went off the rails from your original intent for this subject but you only have two of us here that can give a woman's perspective and Bunnie had her say. I get a bit....animated on this subject.
As for math and science, I sucked at both. Hardcore. If there is dyslexia or something similar in math I have it. Without math you don't have science. Or a career in the medical field above a nursing assistant or EMT. I wanted to be a nurse or a cardiac ultrasonographer in the Army but both required math that my mind couldn't process so I was a medic. I actually was not a good student across the board because I had undiagnosed ADHD (inattentive) and my brain couldn't learn the same way normal kids could. I believe things like that also affect how girls and boys think and grow into adult men and women and what they end up going into.
Dyscalculia. It’s a real thing just like dyslexia!
(12-19-2024, 02:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 11:58 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]As enlightened as we have become “boys don’t like girls who are smarter than them, you’ll never get a husband like that” is still a prevalent thing among way too many people. It’s been only about 50 years or so where a woman could get her own checking account without a husband. Girls have just recently started to be pushed towards STEM programs.
Think about how you talk to little boys and little girls. Boys get told how smart they are, how strong they are, how clever they are. Girls get told how pretty they are. Of course not everyone does this, and it’s becoming less common because people realize how detrimental this kind of praise is, you I should say lack of praise is for little girls.
So dads on here, next time you tell your daughter she’s pretty, tell her how freaking awesome and smart she is too!
I'm involved with my two kids at church and at cub scouts. I never heard anyone talk to the girls (and about 1/4 of the scouts are girls now) about how pretty or cute they are. That message has been received at least in my neck of the woods.
However the social scientists are raising alarm bells with Gen Z (who are in their 20s now) that the girls have absorbed the "get as much education and professional development as possible" message but the boys have not absorbed the "your partner may be more accomplished than you and that's OK" message. Seems we recalibrated one of the genders without recalibrating the other.
FWIW L2L and I both are with women who are more accomplished and higher earning than us. But the polling consistently says that most younger unattached men don't want that for themselves.
Lol, if boys absorb and believe the message that girls will still be interested in them when they are less accomplished then the vast majority of boys will be in for a rude awakening. That is not natural, goes against human biology, and more often leads to dissolution of the relationship rather than its persistence. And frankly, that message is one of the most destructive attacks against Western Civilization in the playbook of the enemy, used to create societal disharmony that the opposition exploits to disrupt our society. You and L2L might've found the unicorns, but you are extreme outliers and I think he would admit to that while you would not.
(12-19-2024, 06:00 PM)g1ml3t Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 08:52 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I got interested because of the video title, but chess is just the example he uses to enter the subject. Why aren't women as good at chess as men? What that leads to is the question, why aren't there more women at the highest level of math and science? There are a variety of theories. The two main ones are: a) lack of participation, and b) inherent differences in mental ability at the highest level. In other words, even though on average, women have the same mental abilities as men, there are more really brilliant men and more really stupid men. And then, does the same theory apply when it comes to professional sports and the dominance of African American athletes at the highest level?
Why do men dominate chess?
I was reading a study or maybe just a discussion about this. The consensus was that many more men play chess than women, so naturally there are more high profile male chess players than females.
It was also said that when women play chess against men they feel more pressure and make mistakes they wouldn't ordinarily make, like they are expected to lose. They don't feel this pressure when playing another female. Pretty interesting
The consensus should ask how many more boys that girls WANT to play chess; that's the real difference. Same with many of the occupations that have higher male interest than female, the activist don't care what boys or girls want, they instead demand boys and girls want what the activists want. Fortunately we're getting to the point in our society that we're going to cast those activists back into the pit from out which they clawed.
(12-19-2024, 10:44 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 02:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm involved with my two kids at church and at cub scouts. I never heard anyone talk to the girls (and about 1/4 of the scouts are girls now) about how pretty or cute they are. That message has been received at least in my neck of the woods.
However the social scientists are raising alarm bells with Gen Z (who are in their 20s now) that the girls have absorbed the "get as much education and professional development as possible" message but the boys have not absorbed the "your partner may be more accomplished than you and that's OK" message. Seems we recalibrated one of the genders without recalibrating the other.
FWIW L2L and I both are with women who are more accomplished and higher earning than us. But the polling consistently says that most younger unattached men don't want that for themselves.
Lol, if boys absorb and believe the message that girls will still be interested in them when they are less accomplished then the vast majority of boys will be in for a rude awakening. That is not natural, goes against human biology, and more often leads to dissolution of the relationship rather than its persistence. And frankly, that message is one of the most destructive attacks against Western Civilization in the playbook of the enemy, used to create societal disharmony that the opposition exploits to disrupt our society. You and L2L might've found the unicorns, but you are extreme outliers and I think he would admit to that while you would not.
(12-19-2024, 06:00 PM)g1ml3t Wrote: [ -> ]I was reading a study or maybe just a discussion about this. The consensus was that many more men play chess than women, so naturally there are more high profile male chess players than females.
It was also said that when women play chess against men they feel more pressure and make mistakes they wouldn't ordinarily make, like they are expected to lose. They don't feel this pressure when playing another female. Pretty interesting
The consensus should ask how many more boys that girls WANT to play chess; that's the real difference. Same with many of the occupations that have higher male interest than female, the activist don't care what boys or girls want, they instead demand boys and girls want what the activists want. Fortunately we're getting to the point in our society that we're going to cast those activists back into the pit from out which they clawed.
The current polling on single women says this isn't true.
The psychologists who have studied breakups in this cohort say the pattern is more that the men initiate the breakups, the women were more often willing to continue.
Perhaps the accomplished single women answering these polls don't know their own biology but I suspect they know it better than either of us do.
(12-19-2024, 11:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 10:44 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, if boys absorb and believe the message that girls will still be interested in them when they are less accomplished then the vast majority of boys will be in for a rude awakening. That is not natural, goes against human biology, and more often leads to dissolution of the relationship rather than its persistence. And frankly, that message is one of the most destructive attacks against Western Civilization in the playbook of the enemy, used to create societal disharmony that the opposition exploits to disrupt our society. You and L2L might've found the unicorns, but you are extreme outliers and I think he would admit to that while you would not.
The consensus should ask how many more boys that girls WANT to play chess; that's the real difference. Same with many of the occupations that have higher male interest than female, the activist don't care what boys or girls want, they instead demand boys and girls want what the activists want. Fortunately we're getting to the point in our society that we're going to cast those activists back into the pit from out which they clawed.
The current polling on single women says this isn't true.
The psychologists who have studied breakups in this cohort say the pattern is more that the men initiate the breakups, the women were more often willing to continue.
Perhaps the accomplished single women answering these polls don't know their own biology but I suspect they know it better than either of us do.
I'd love to see your work on that statement. Women initiate ~70% of breakups, so I'd really like to see your evidence.
(12-19-2024, 11:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 11:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The current polling on single women says this isn't true.
The psychologists who have studied breakups in this cohort say the pattern is more that the men initiate the breakups, the women were more often willing to continue.
Perhaps the accomplished single women answering these polls don't know their own biology but I suspect they know it better than either of us do.
I'd love to see your work on that statement. Women initiate ~70% of breakups, so I'd really like to see your evidence.
Yea, I woke up this morning and thought "I believe I will study current polling on single women"
(12-19-2024, 11:38 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 11:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I'd love to see your work on that statement. Women initiate ~70% of breakups, so I'd really like to see your evidence.
Yea, I woke up this morning and thought "I believe I will study current polling on single women"
Well, they did choose the barren rather than the men or some such, don'tcha know?
(12-19-2024, 11:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 11:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The current polling on single women says this isn't true.
The psychologists who have studied breakups in this cohort say the pattern is more that the men initiate the breakups, the women were more often willing to continue.
Perhaps the accomplished single women answering these polls don't know their own biology but I suspect they know it better than either of us do.
I'd love to see your work on that statement. Women initiate ~70% of breakups, so I'd really like to see your evidence.
Here's the non scientific version. The researchers quoted have CV's, I'd presume.
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archi...ng/680770/
Quote:But even if these women don’t prioritize dating a man with a degree or a prestigious job, many of the men without those credentials don’t want to date them. In the U.S. and elsewhere, Marcia C. Inhorn, a Yale anthropologist, told me, mainstream cultural tradition has encouraged women to engage in hypergamy: “marrying up to a slightly older man, somebody who’s more career advanced, makes more money.” Men, meanwhile, have tended toward hypogamy, marrying someone younger, less well off, and less academically accomplished. Those norms are still so ingrained that as more women have made advances at school and work, many men have held it against them. That women’s hard-earned achievements disadvantage them romantically is a dark irony.
(12-20-2024, 03:52 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 11:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I'd love to see your work on that statement. Women initiate ~70% of breakups, so I'd really like to see your evidence.
Here's the non scientific version. The researchers quoted have CV's, I'd presume.
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archi...ng/680770/
Quote:But even if these women don’t prioritize dating a man with a degree or a prestigious job, many of the men without those credentials don’t want to date them. In the U.S. and elsewhere, Marcia C. Inhorn, a Yale anthropologist, told me, mainstream cultural tradition has encouraged women to engage in hypergamy: “marrying up to a slightly older man, somebody who’s more career advanced, makes more money.” Men, meanwhile, have tended toward hypogamy, marrying someone younger, less well off, and less academically accomplished. Those norms are still so ingrained that as more women have made advances at school and work, many men have held it against them. That women’s hard-earned achievements disadvantage them romantically is a dark irony.
A. The Atlantic
B. "Patriarchy"
C. Donald Trump is ruining women's lives
D. Paywall
Try again Skippy. Maybe you can share the actual study? I'd like to read it.
(12-19-2024, 10:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2024, 10:37 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]The interesting question to me is, are the smartest men smarter than the smartest women, and are the dumbest men dumber than the dumbest women? In other words, even though men and women could be, on average, equally talented mentally, do men occupy more of the extremes of the bell curve?
I've heard smart sounding people say yes they do, and that it's because we only have one x chromosome that either has very good traits or very bad ones. When I was younger I would have found that credible but now I find it speculative.
There are inherent differences in the toys most children are interested in at different ages, I never prevented my kids from playing with the "wrong" toys for their gender but after about age 3 they didn't really want to anyways.
One difference I've seen in children is most boys have a strong competitive nature and most girls have a strong team building nature. Neither of my kids are very competitive but as I've had them both in youth sports I definitely see that difference play out in their teammates.
I'm pretty sure that I've posted that before on this forum.
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