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Quote:Are you sure there are no auditors? That doesn't seem correct...


Plus, isn't there legislative oversight of these federal agencies?


I'm not sure I buy your premise...

 

Internal auditors I am sure. Same as the IRS. They get audited all the time, internally.

 

Legislative oversight? Is that a joke? The same people "overseeing" these departments are also in bed with lobbyist who are negotiating business contracts for said departments. But if you believe the system is working as intended and the legislators are effectively preventing fraud, waste, and abuse, then I suppose any sort of change or need for an external audit is unneeded. I am of the opposite belief.

We already know that something as insignificant as a VP visit to Mexico cost over $500,000 in hotel rooms alone.  Haha.  The amount of waste is staggering, but they can get away with it because there is no such thing as a strict budget when it comes to these people.

Quote:We already know that something as insignificant as a VP visit to Mexico cost over $500,000 in hotel rooms alone. Haha. The amount of waste is staggering, but they can get away with it because there is no such thing as a strict budget when it comes to these people.

Maybe they can stay at a Trump hotel (non bankrupted). Obviously Trump would pick up the tab...

Quote:Maybe they can stay at a Trump hotel (non bankrupted). Obviously Trump would pick up the tab...

 

They spare no expense.  They fly jets all over the world for vacations REGULARLY, but then tell the people to make sure they have enough air in their tires or else they are wasting gas.  They're royalty in their own eyes and the public lets them get away with it.

Quote:Internal auditors I am sure. Same as the IRS. They get audited all the time, internally.


Legislative oversight? Is that a joke? The same people "overseeing" these departments are also in bed with lobbyist who are negotiating business contracts for said departments. But if you believe the system is working as intended and the legislators are effectively preventing fraud, waste, and abuse, then I suppose any sort of change or need for an external audit is unneeded. I am of the opposite belief.

As an accountant I'm pretty well aware of internal audits...


If you think that the system is so broken that basic functions of the organization do not work, then I'm not sure there's anything can be done.


The fraud, waste, and abuse (as you put it) of the government I think is something to always be aware of. But it's not the major issue of the problem with government. You make it sound as though there is rampant waste and abuse. Please show us where this waste and abuse is.



The corruption based on the fact that millionaires and billionaires have bought out our politicians is the problem. Internal auditors are civil servants that provide a good service.


The GAO is a legit civil service that does a great job. Just one example of government oversight that I think is working.

Quote:We already know that something as insignificant as a VP visit to Mexico cost over $500,000 in hotel rooms alone. Haha. The amount of waste is staggering, but they can get away with it because there is no such thing as a strict budget when it comes to these people.

Oh dear... look, putting out a bottom line amount is a great way to fool some that are easily gullible.


But that won't fly here.


Give me a line item account for that 500k trip, and then I'll show you where (if any) there is waste.


That 500k includes the hourly pay for all the workers that are required for that trip. Also their meals and housing. Not to mention the air fare. So depending on how many went and how long they stayed, that 500k may have been well spent.


Lastly, I find it sad that you hate government so much that you think a vp diplomatic trip to Mexico is insignificant.


You realize the whole point of governing is to maintain peace and commerce with your neighbors. I'm sorry but that means you gotta go pay them a visit every now and then...


That's the problem with GOP voters, you guys hate government, which them makes you bad at governing, which makes the problem worse.


It's a negative feedback loop you've created.

Quote:As an accountant I'm pretty well aware of internal audits...


If you think that the system is so broken that basic functions of the organization do not work, then I'm not sure there's anything can be done.


The fraud, waste, and abuse (as you put it) of the government I think is something to always be aware of. But it's not the major issue of the problem with government. You make it sound as though there is rampant waste and abuse. Please show us where this waste and abuse is.



The corruption based on the fact that millionaires and billionaires have bought out our politicians is the problem. Internal auditors are civil servants that provide a good service.


The GAO is a legit civil service that does a great job. Just one example of government oversight that I think is working.

 

There are plenty of examples across the board. Here are a few articles on the topic:

 

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports...ment-waste

 

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2014/12/30...Waste-Year

 

This isn't exactly FWA, but also shows the level of collusion between our politicians and their own private interests that contribute to our vastly bloated pork-filled budget:

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009...on-crisis/

Quote:We already know that something as insignificant as a VP visit to Mexico cost over $500,000 in hotel rooms alone. Haha. The amount of waste is staggering, but they can get away with it because there is no such thing as a strict budget when it comes to these people.

Source? I'd love to see the detailed break down of this.

Quote:There are plenty of examples across the board. Here are a few articles on the topic:

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2005/04/top-10-examples-of-government-waste'>http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2005/04/top-10-examples-of-government-waste</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2014/12/30/5-Most-Egregious-Examples-Government-Waste-Year'>http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2014/12/30/5-Most-Egregious-Examples-Government-Waste-Year</a>


This isn't exactly FWA, but also shows the level of collusion between our politicians and their own private interests that contribute to our vastly bloated pork-filled budget:

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/21/senate-husbands-firm-cashes-in-on-crisis/'>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/21/senate-husbands-firm-cashes-in-on-crisis/</a>

Yeah... we're in agreement for the most part.


But as a couple of your articles point out, the GAO is on top of it.


It's not the waste and abuse that's the problem, it's the corruption of politicians that allow certain waste to continue.


To me, it means that the solution is to remove the corruption. The first step is to get the money out of politics.


That's just where I'm coming from. This is a bipartisan issue, in my opinion.

Quote:Yeah... we're in agreement for the most part.


But as a couple of your articles point out, the GAO is on top of it.


It's not the waste and abuse that's the problem, it's the corruption of politicians that allow certain waste to continue.

To me, it means that the solution is to remove the corruption. The first step is to get the money out of politics.


That's just where I'm coming from. This is a bipartisan issue, in my opinion.

 

I definitely agree it is bipartisan. Corruption breeds FWA, and FWA breeds corruption. Its a systemic issue and the nations most deadly illness. The GAO may be capturing and halting bits and pieces of the problem, but they alone will never be able to cure this level of disease. There needs to be a massive shakeup of the establishment politics that have been rotting the foundation. I am sure we will disagree on what needs to be corrected, or re-asserted back into the foundation, but maybe we can at least agree something needs to change or our future will be filled with unprecedented levels of cronyism and collusion.

Quote:Oh dear... look, putting out a bottom line amount is a great way to fool some that are easily gullible.


But that won't fly here.


Give me a line item account for that 500k trip, and then I'll show you where (if any) there is waste.


That 500k includes the hourly pay for all the workers that are required for that trip. Also their meals and housing. Not to mention the air fare. So depending on how many went and how long they stayed, that 500k may have been well spent.


Lastly, I find it sad that you hate government so much that you think a vp diplomatic trip to Mexico is insignificant.


You realize the whole point of governing is to maintain peace and commerce with your neighbors. I'm sorry but that means you gotta go pay them a visit every now and then...


That's the problem with GOP voters, you guys hate government, which them makes you bad at governing, which makes the problem worse.


It's a negative feedback loop you've created.

 

look at yourself.  you are sitting there making excuses for a government that has shown incredibly poor stewardship of the people's money for decades... what is wrong with you?

 

NO KIDDING that cost includes all the staff and ARMED BODY GUARDS CAUSE THEYRE SO IMPORTANT.  That's the point.  All for a meeting that could have been done over the phone where they talk about something that has no effect on us other than moving jobs out of our country.

 

http://freebeacon.com/politics/bidens-on...28-hotels/

 

SEND JOE ON A DAMN COMMERCIAL AIRLINER AND BOOK HIM FOR A NIGHT AT MOTEL 8. 

 

But no, they live like kings on money they didn't earn.

PUT THAT B IN COACH

Quote:So veteran pollster KellyAnn Conway is now campaign manager and Stephen Bannon of Breitbart has taken over as CEO. Trump is getting a lot of praise for the move; I guess we will see if it pays off. ZOGBY is reporting Trump is within 2 points nationally and the speech he gave last night was fire.

Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Quote:look at yourself. you are sitting there making excuses for a government that has shown incredibly poor stewardship of the people's money for decades... what is wrong with you?


NO KIDDING that cost includes all the staff and ARMED BODY GUARDS CAUSE THEYRE SO IMPORTANT. That's the point. All for a meeting that could have been done over the phone where they talk about something that has no effect on us other than moving jobs out of our country.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://freebeacon.com/politics/bidens-one-night-to-mexico-city-cost-538528-hotels/'>http://freebeacon.com/politics/bidens-one-night-to-mexico-city-cost-538528-hotels/</a>


SEND JOE ON A DAMN COMMERCIAL AIRLINER AND BOOK HIM FOR A NIGHT AT MOTEL 8.


But no, they live like kings on money they didn't earn.

You're trolling me, right? He's the VP of the most powerful nation on earth. As such, he carries around alot of power. Including nuclear codes.


So there are reasons to make sure the dude and his staff are safe and secure.


As for teleconference calls. In my line of work, I even have to travel to client locations. Are you saying that the VP of our great nation needs to stay home and face-time other world leaders?


Come on, man.

Quote:PUT THAT (removed) IN COACH

Badger, as your legal counsel, I advise you to modify this post. It's too early in the season to get a paddlin'.

Quote:This is a good counter. GOP candidates prior to trump just ignored the reality.


The problem with trump is that he's recognized and vocalized the problem but his solutions are what got us into this mess in the first place, with the exception of getting rid of free trade, of course.

 

Trump got us in this mess? C'mon man.

 

Is this another argument about Trump using the LAWS of the land to his benefit? If so, it is a truly weak, weak argument.

Quote:Trump got us in this mess? C'mon man.

 

Is this another argument about Trump using the LAWS of the land to his benefit? If so, it is a truly weak, weak argument.

 

It is an interesting point. TAM, do you support the removal of LLC and bankruptcy laws? I have never heard of any candidate or politician espouse this approach to business reform, yet the left loves to attack Trump for using those very laws.

I used to think Trump was made of teflon, but Hillary's barrier is made on another planet. Very independence day like.

 

Quote:It is an interesting point. TAM, do you support the removal of LLC and bankruptcy laws? I have never heard of any candidate or politician espouse this approach to business reform, yet the left loves to attack Trump for using those very laws.

LLC laws in terms of them being pass throughs? Or the limitation of liability?


I'm not sure what you are referring to.


As for bankruptcy laws, I do think it's pretty weak that vulture capitalists like trump and Romney make their money by over leveraging and then get to run out on those debts...


That's not how capitalism should work.

Quote:Trump got us in this mess? C'mon man.


Is this another argument about Trump using the LAWS of the land to his benefit? If so, it is a truly weak, weak argument.

No, re-read what I wrote. I didn't say that trump got us into this mess...


I said his solutions, besides his take on free trade, got us in this mess.


The corporatist elite on the left and the right got us here. Trump's economic policy speech last week was like a copy of the elite right wing policies that helped get us here.


That's what I'm saying.