Every year fans seemingly want to trade back, and every year it does not happen. Most years I agree with the notion; I love the idea of getting more 2nd day picks. This year is no different.
But unlike past years, I think the Jaguars actually will (desperately) try and trade back. Like, take below market value in order to do so. Having Tennessee right behind us wanting to trade back is why Jags might have to trade on the cheap. But I still think they will for 2 main reasons.
1) The players that fit our number 1 overall need, Offensive Line, are valued as middle of the first round players: Garett Bolles, Forrest Lamp, Ryan Ramczyk, Cam Robinson
2) The positions that fit our other pressing needs, Running back, Tight End, Defensive End, Cornerback, are deep in this draft, allowing us to grab a first or second round talent at those positions, a round later.
Looking at it through this lens really makes the draft line up nicely based on our needs. O-line is a relatively shallow class- makes sense we would try to take our pick of the litter early, and as I mentioned CB, DE, TE, and CB being really, really deep also lines-up directly with our needs.
With this in mind, imagine what we could do with a mid 1st, a couple 2nds and a couple 3rds...
1st round) Pick one:
OL: Forrest Lamp, Garrett Bolles, Ryan Ramczyk, Cam Robinson
2nd round) Pick two:
DE: Charles Harris, TJ Watt, Tim Williams, Takkarist McKinley
RB: Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara
TE: David Njoku, Evan Engram, Bucky Hodges
CB: Kevin King, Quincey Wilson, Chidobe Awuzie
3rd round) Pick two:
DE: Carl Lawson, Derek Rivers, Jordan Willis
RB: D'Onte Foreman, Kareem Hunt, Jamaal Williams
TE: Jake Butt, Gerald Everett, George Kittle
CB: Cordrea Tankersley, Joudan Lewis, Sidney Jones, Jalen Tabor, Adoree' Jackson, Akhello Witherspoon
........Sweet.
Now I know most of your first reaction will be to scoff and LOL and tell me that I have X prospect in the wrong round, or that Y prospect is trash, but try not to get hung up on those details (btw most people like to say "There is no way that player lasts until the 3rd round" about 150 different prospects. It's going to happen. Players fall. Nobody knows anything so just blur your vision a bit and appreciate how much talent is going to be available on day two.
I think between Coughlin coming in and changing things up (Caldwell always talked about trading back but apparently was never very serious about it) and the unique matchup of our needs and value (see above) I believe there is a far better chance of us trading back this year compared to years past. I know it takes two to tango, but I don't think its really far-fetched that someone falls involve with one of the DBs or WRs that they may be worried about Tennesee taking, or even jump up to grab a QB at 4, fearing that team X may try to do the same with Tennessee at 5.
So what do you think? How would you do it if you had 5 picks within the first 3 rounds?
1: Lamp
2: Njoku and Watt
3: Foreman and Kittle
I wish Sweeney was an option in round 2 for you there. I would totally draft 2 guards. I also like 2 of the tight ends too. Njoku + Kittle = all kinds of trouble in the middle of the field.
What team is willing to give up both of their day 2 picks to trade up? And for who?
Quote:What team is willing to give up both of their day 2 picks to trade up? And for who?
Carolina for Fournette maybe.
My dream is to trade back with Carolina, get picks, trade back again to 12 with cleveland or arizona for them to get whatever QB that the Jets do not take.
I have been critical of Caldwell, but put him in the hall of fame the very next day if he gets the Panthers to give up both of their day 2 picks to move up 4 spots for a running back.
But then shoot me in the face because I don't want to live in a world where any running back costs a top 5 pick and a 2nd and 3rd on top of that.
Quote:What team is willing to give up both of their day 2 picks to trade up? And for who?
Exactly who I had in mind to be obstinate and argumentative. Nice job playing your part.
Again, the point of the thread was that a) I think the Jags will try very hard (more so in years past) to trade back, and b) the Jags would benefit greatly from acquiring multiple day 2 picks.
I could see a trade back to 8 with Carolina. The value is still not there for OL at 8. I think Howard could be the pick there. Maybe Cam Robinson or Dion Dawkins early in the 2nd.
Quote:Exactly who I had in mind to be obstinate and argumentative. Nice job playing your part.
Again, the point of the thread was that a) I think the Jags will try very hard (more so in years past) to trade back, and B) the Jags would benefit greatly from acquiring multiple day 2 picks.
Everyone and their mother has said we should/will try to trade back, no one has given any real feasible options except the Panthers who sure as hell aren't giving up multiple day 2 picks for it. I was seeing if you had a realistic idea that no one else has had yet.
Quote:Everyone and their mother has said we should/will try to trade back, no one has given any real feasible options except the Panthers who sure as hell aren't giving up multiple day 2 picks for it. I was seeing if you had a realistic idea that no one else has had yet.
Multiple trade backs perhaps.
My only realistic idea is the inevitability of your head growing beyond critical mass, collapsing under it's own gravity, and creating a blackhole that consumes the entire state of Kentucky.
Pretty cool response for two completely benign posts. But I know I know, I'm the pompous one.
Quote:Every year fans seemingly want to trade back, and every year it does not happen. Most years I agree with the notion; I love the idea of getting more 2nd day picks. This year is no different.
But unlike past years, I think the Jaguars actually will (desperately) try and trade back. Like, take below market value in order to do so. Having Tennessee right behind us wanting to trade back is why Jags might have to trade on the cheap. But I still think they will for 2 main reasons.
1) The players that fit our number 1 overall need, Offensive Line, are valued as middle of the first round players: Garett Bolles, Forrest Lamp, Ryan Ramczyk, Cam Robinson
2) The positions that fit our other pressing needs, Running back, Tight End, Defensive End, Cornerback, are deep in this draft, allowing us to grab a first or second round talent at those positions, a round later.
Looking at it through this lens really makes the draft line up nicely based on our needs. O-line is a relatively shallow class- makes sense we would try to take our pick of the litter early, and as I mentioned CB, DE, TE, and CB being really, really deep also lines-up directly with our needs.
With this in mind, imagine what we could do with a mid 1st, a couple 2nds and a couple 3rds...
1st round) Pick one:
OL: Forrest Lamp, Garrett Bolles, Ryan Ramczyk, Cam Robinson
2nd round) Pick two:
DE: Charles Harris, TJ Watt, Tim Williams, Takkarist McKinley
RB: Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara
TE: David Njoku, Evan Engram, Bucky Hodges
CB: Kevin King, Quincey Wilson, Chidobe Awuzie
3rd round) Pick two:
DE: Carl Lawson, Derek Rivers, Jordan Willis
RB: D'Onte Foreman, Kareem Hunt, Jamaal Williams
TE: Jake Butt, Gerald Everett, George Kittle
CB: Cordrea Tankersley, Joudan Lewis, Sidney Jones, Jalen Tabor, Adoree' Jackson, Akhello Witherspoon
........Sweet.
Now I know most of your first reaction will be to scoff...
Quote:What team is willing to give up both of their day 2 picks to trade up? And for who?
Quote:Carolina for Fournette maybe.
My dream is to trade back with Carolina, get picks, trade back again to 12 with cleveland or arizona for them to get whatever QB that the Jets do not take.
This would be awesome!! What would you do with these picks in this draft?
This is mine......
#12 - O.J Howard TE
#35 - Dan Feeney G
#40 - Alvin Kamara RB - from carolina
#52 - D. Kizer QB - from cleveland
#68 - A. Garcia OT
I think Fournette is the most likely target for a trade-up to four, because (and I know some fans on here disagree) he is seen by some as a special talent.
And I think there would be a number of teams interested. The Panthers have been mentioned, but how about the Chiefs? They like their running backs and might be looking for a replacement for Charles. Or how about the Bengals, Ravens, Bucs or Redskins?
Of course some of those teams would probably have to give up too much to reach our spot and wouldn't value Fournette so highly they would want to make the trade.
So the other scenario would be a team wanting to rise a few places to get ahead of the Titans at five (because they want to select a player the Titans want). That could be the Chargers or Bills going for Williams or maybe the Bills or Saints going for Adams.
None of these scenarios seem as plausible as a team trading up for a QB in previous drafts, but if we are prepared to accept a slightly less-than-generous deal, a trade-down isn't impossible.
Best case for us is, we really want Fournette... and they also really want Fournette (and they can't/won't trade ahead of us.)
The 49ers are claiming they've had interest in the number 2 pick. Of course it could be nothing or simply teams considering moving up if Garrett somehow fails to become a Brown. But maybe there is some trade interest out there...
Quote:I have been critical of Caldwell, but put him in the hall of fame the very next day if he gets the Panthers to give up both of their day 2 picks to move up 4 spots for a running back.
But then shoot me in the face because I don't want to live in a world where any running back costs a top 5 pick and a 2nd and 3rd on top of that.
Trent Richardson did cost a 4th, 5th and 7th for one spot .. I mean if a team is dumb enough, there is historical evidence to back up samjag
Then the Colts came in a said, hey we can make an even dumber trade! They sent.. hahahah ... a 1st rounder to Cleveland.I mean, not even Kevin Costner can make that kind of deal.
Assuming that NFL teams are adults with analytical skills and football sense, trades like that should not happen. Carolina's David Gettleman has been pretty wise as a GM, he let Josh Norman walk and his only really questionable draft mistake was Shaq Thompson. I would also think the Panthers would want to leap frog Jacksonville if they want to beat us to Fournette. I don't see any team doing that for a running Back, especially in a deep running back class but we have been wrong before.
Hopes of trading up is that a team wants to leap from Tennessee or New York.. in which case the Titans (again) have more trade leverage thsn Jacksonville because New York is in the QB market making them a team you'd want to jump over.
I thought it was telling in the recent conference with Caldwell, Marrone and Coughlin. Dave said the were ready, and now that just wait for someone to call them. For the first time, I think Dave might really be ready to trade back.
Dave may but based on Coughlins interview. Where he said depends on who is there. I do not see us trading back in the first round. Even though that could be the smartest idea,
I think Coughlin is drooling over Fournette.
Natrone means business.
For starters it's going to be tough to trade down from #4 with the TItans at #5 making their wishes to trade down very apparent. SImply put, teams would pay less to go to #5 than to #4. That said, I can still see the Panthers making a trade to #4 in their efforts to get Fournette. I'm starting to think the Jaguars will take Fournette if they stay put, however, they'd rather trade down.
In my latest 4.0 mock I predict the Jaguars and TItans both trade down with the Jaguars getting the #8 and taking Jonathan Allen there. I then have them taking Cam Robinson and Everett Engram in round two, and then Jeremy McNichols in round three. We won't get a 2nd third to go to #8, however, we would get one should we drop further down like say to #12. At #12 the selections get tougher as Allen will be gone with Howard very likely gone. There's only a very slight chance that Howard makes it to #12 as I think the Bengals are taking him. I'd LOVE to get McCaffery at #12, but I'm convinced he's going #11 to the Saints.