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Quote:What if they need a table instead of a counter?

Their problem, not mine.

Quote:Don't speak so frivolously. I do live in Virginia.

Oh...never mind. You're screwed.

Quote:So I've received a job offer from a company and I was wondering how folks out there approach this. But first, a little background...

This is a new position for me and one that I have little to no experience in. I'm coming from a Design Engineer background and going into Technical Sales.

The only time I discussed compensation was a number I put on the company website when it asked for "Salary Requirement" and it was never discussed in any of the interviews.

The job offer I received pretty much nails that number and I've recently learned that it's lower than what a typical person makes in this position.

So... do you negotiate that number?

If the offer hits the figure you proposed when you applied online, and it's a direct hire situation, you're better off going with the offer. A lot of info you get about salary ranges for jobs can be highly subjective to begin with, especially for sales jobs where there's commission involved. It gives you some leverage when it comes time for raises, especially if you prove yourself to be effective in sales.

Quote:All they can do is tell you no. Public executions aren't a thing anymore. :no:

They're...they're not?

 

Oh.

 

I guess I should take the guillotine out of my back yard then, huh?

Quote:They're...they're not?

 

Oh.

 

I guess I should take the guillotine out of my back yard then, huh?

I said "public"...what you do in the privacy of your own yard is your business! :teehee:

Quote:So I've received a job offer from a company and I was wondering how folks out there approach this. But first, a little background...

This is a new position for me and one that I have little to no experience in. I'm coming from a Design Engineer background and going into Technical Sales.

The only time I discussed compensation was a number I put on the company website when it asked for "Salary Requirement" and it was never discussed in any of the interviews.

The job offer I received pretty much nails that number and I've recently learned that it's lower than what a typical person makes in this position.

So... do you negotiate that number?

No, absolutely not. I have a friend who has been unemployed for years, in spite of several job offers in his field. His problem is, he always refuses their salary offer and Insists on what he considers "market value" and winds up without the job.


Take the job, get your foot in the door, prove yourself, and then start talking about getting what you think you deserve.


That's my advice.


And besides, if I made you a job offer, and you wanted to negotiate the salary, I would think, this guy is going to be a pain in the behind. I am going to stick to my guns, refuse to negotiate, and hope he walks away. It'll save me a lot of trouble in the future.

Just finished up a talk with the hiring manager.


I got an extra week of leave per year, a flexed schedule (but they are pretty loose when it comes to office hours anyway), a slight bump in pay and pushed back the start date until the middle of August.


Now I have to ask, for those of you that stated "no" do you think that negotiations are hostile? Why would having a discussion about something like this be a bad thing?

I know you've already made a counter offer, but to me it boils down to how much you want or need the job.

 

I was recently offered a job with lower pay, but more time at home with a company I used to work for.  Their salary offer came in about where I would be if I had stayed there instead of leaving 6 years ago.  My annual raises would have brought me to that number.  What ultimately made me stay with the current company was that the other company refused to negotiate on vested vacation time.  I had worked there for 7 years in a row prior to leaving, and I wanted to start off where I left off.

 

They claimed their policy was based on other returning employees, and that those employees had also started at year 0.  5 years in, you get an extra week of vacation.  10 years in, you earn another week for a total of 4 weeks.  They would have had me starting out back at square 1, with only 2 weeks of vacation.  Bear in mind, all parties concerned agreed I had done exceptional work for them in my 7 years of employment.

 

So I turned the job down, not because of the extra lost week of vacation, but because the company refused to negotiate over something I felt was perfectly reasonable.  If they are going to be unreasonable about the smallest of things, what do you think will happen when big things pop up?

 

I guess that's something to consider aside from salary, so look at the entire package when considering employment, and good luck with whatever comes up.

Quote:Just finished up a talk with the hiring manager.


I got an extra week of leave per year, a flexed schedule (but they are pretty loose when it comes to office hours anyway), a slight bump in pay and pushed back the start date until the middle of August.


Now I have to ask, for those of you that stated "no" do you think that negotiations are hostile? Why would having a discussion about something like this be a bad thing?

I don't think negotiations are hostile.  I've done the same thing you have in the past, but I was dealing with a contracting firm.  In my situation, I wasn't completely convinced I wanted the job, so I used the rate as my opportunity to price myself out of the gig.  I underestimated their need, and when I countered with a higher rate, they didn't blink.  At that point, I had to make a decision.  I still didn't really want the job, but I had friends who were looking who were equally qualified for the position, so I declined the offer, and provided them with a referral who ultimately got the job. 

 

I don't think it's a bad thing to have that salary discussion.  Setting a rate initially when applying for a job doesn't preclude you from going back for more, but depending on the company you're dealing with, they may pull the offer and go in a different direction.  I've seen that happen a lot in my industry. 

 

You had a good outcome.  Congrats!

Quote:Just finished up a talk with the hiring manager.


I got an extra week of leave per year, a flexed schedule (but they are pretty loose when it comes to office hours anyway), a slight bump in pay and pushed back the start date until the middle of August.


Now I have to ask, for those of you that stated "no" do you think that negotiations are hostile? Why would having a discussion about something like this be a bad thing?

 

Congrats!!

Quote:Just finished up a talk with the hiring manager.


I got an extra week of leave per year, a flexed schedule (but they are pretty loose when it comes to office hours anyway), a slight bump in pay and pushed back the start date until the middle of August.


Now I have to ask, for those of you that stated "no" do you think that negotiations are hostile? Why would having a discussion about something like this be a bad thing?

Good to hear, Deacon. I'm sure it's a big relief.

I don't care what you put down in that box, nearly any time a company offers you something you should negotiate.  Companies now a days expect a negotiation and unless you're pushing for a lot more than the role is worth, they won't pull the job offer.

 

My wife does a ton of contract negotiation, and one thing I've learned since being married to her is that if you don't ask, you won't get it.  We've been given free upgrades and free stuff just because we asked.  It was there and they were going to give it to someone, so why not us?

Get em.


Congrats Deacon.

You took my advice and did the lap dance, didn't ya? :thumbsup:

Quote:You took my advice and did the lap dance, didn't ya? :thumbsup:

Don't you know the first rule of professionalism?


Hire people to do the things you don't know how to do.

Quote:Don't you know the first rule of professionalism?


Hire people to do the things you don't know how to do.

 

I thought it was "Don't talk about professionalism"?

That's rule 1a

And thanks for all of the well wishes folks. To be honest, trepidation and anxiety didn't even have a chance to sink in just yet. Technically, I'm still on the roster of my old company, and I'll be getting a paycheck from them for the next year or so.


If anything, I think I may have gotten a new job too fast!

Congrats!

Quote:Just finished up a talk with the hiring manager.


I got an extra week of leave per year, a flexed schedule (but they are pretty loose when it comes to office hours anyway), a slight bump in pay and pushed back the start date until the middle of August.


Now I have to ask, for those of you that stated "no" do you think that negotiations are hostile? Why would having a discussion about something like this be a bad thing?

First off, congrats on the new gig!

 

I don't think negotiations are hostile. I've only been in one salary negotiation that even crept towards contempt, as the hiring manager discussed one salary with me in the first interview, then came back in the final interview and presented me with an offer for a considerably lower one. Didn't take that job, obviously.

 

There's an element of integrity in it for me. If I ask someone on a job application (or in an initial screening interview) what salary they're looking for and they give me a number, my offer will be based on that number. Might be lower if they're asking for the moon, probably won't be higher because I'm a businessman and morals are for hippies. If someone tells me that they want $75,000 per year, I bring them an offer of $75,000, and they counter me at $85,000, that's going to raise a red flag. If I give someone exactly what they're asking for and they counter by raising their price, it would definitely create some trust issues on my end, and I would probably make up some excuse to get them out of the office so I could call my second choice back and see if they'll take that offer instead.