Clearly the United states airforce hates religion, and specifically the religion of our special little snow flakes.
There can be no other reason, other than a war on snowflakes, and the deity they worship.
And I'm assuming this is all Obama's fault, under the direct instruction of Bill and Hillary, the directions of which were emailed to Obama via Hillary's private server and was accidentally was cc'd to ambassador Stevens in Libya, because of the sensitivity of the email, Hillary and Obama set up bengazi in order to take out Stevens before her could let the people know of the fundamental transformation that was being directed via Hillary's email.
But now, because of bengazi and Hillary deleting her emails, the American people will never know!
Who's triggered? I know I am
Quote:The Air Force did make a public statement as such, but I asure you that behind the curtain it isn't so black and white. One has to question why it took so long for the A.F. to make a public statement if the rules are so obvious. In any case, the issue goes way beyond the reading. Sgt Ridriguez used to work under this commander previously and there are years of bad blood.
This is what I'm talking about, there's more to this than just this ceremony. It also appears Rodriguez wanted to provoke the incident at the ceremony, and the service men there were expecting it.
Quote:This is what I'm talking about, there's more to this than just this ceremony. It also appears Rodriguez wanted to provoke the incident at the ceremony, and the service men there were expecting it.
How did he provoke anything? He was standing there and when it was his time to speak, or even just before, the one guy went over to him then the other guys and forced him out of the room as he is trying to speak.
Quote:How did he provoke anything? He was standing there and when it was his time to speak, or even just before, the one guy went over to him then the other guys and forced him out of the room as he is trying to speak.
By provoke, I mean I think he knew if he started the speech he would be escorted out, which is what he wanted to happen.
Quote:Clearly the United states airforce hates religion, and specifically the religion of our special little snow flakes.
There can be no other reason, other than a war on snowflakes, and the deity they worship.
And I'm assuming this is all Obama's fault, under the direct instruction of Bill and Hillary, the directions of which were emailed to Obama via Hillary's private server and was accidentally was cc'd to ambassador Stevens in Libya, because of the sensitivity of the email, Hillary and Obama set up bengazi in order to take out Stevens before her could let the people know of the fundamental transformation that was being directed via Hillary's email.
But now, because of bengazi and Hillary deleting her emails, the American people will never know!
Who's triggered? I know I am
It's kind of sad that you're making light of the horrific deaths of your countrymen. I really expect better of you.
Quote:By provoke, I mean I think he knew if he started the speech he would be escorted out, which is what he wanted to happen.
Of course he knew, the base commander had banished him, he was there to pick this fight.
Quote:It's kind of sad that you're making light of the horrific deaths of your countrymen. I really expect better of you.
Ooops, another snowflake offended. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of all this PC non-sense.
Oh man, this is fun.
He was not banished by the Base Commander. Sgt. Rodriguez also attempted to clear the script through the public affairs office. They declined to get involved. If by pick a fight you mean stand up for a fundamental right, sure.
Quote:He was not banished by the Base Commander. Sgt. Rodriguez also attempted to clear the script through the public affairs office. They declined to get involved. If by pick a fight you mean stand up for a fundamental right, sure.
Source?
Also, based on your analysis, it sounds like he was trying to do an end run around the commander.
I'm pretty sure military folks would consider a move like that as picking a fight...
Quote:He was not banished by the Base Commander. Sgt. Rodriguez also attempted to clear the script through the public affairs office. They declined to get involved. If by pick a fight you mean stand up for a fundamental right, sure.
Nothing wrong with that, but just say what it is. There's a lot of bluster and outrage over the unseemly disruption of a solemn ceremony that was anticipated.
Quote:Ooops, another snowflake offended. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of all this PC non-sense.
Oh man, this is fun.
I'm not offended, just a bit sad that you've stooped to such a level.
Quote:Of course he knew, the base commander had banished him, he was there to pick this fight.
He wasn't "banished" by the
base commander. It was his
unit commander that didn't want him to be invited. I don't really expect people that have never served in the military to really know the difference.
Also, a retiree is allowed to invite anyone that he chooses as a guest speaker at his own retirement ceremony. Even if his Commanding Officer doesn't want the guest there, the CO has no authority or right to "banish" someone.
Quote:He wasn't "banished" by the base commander. It was his unit commander that didn't want him to be invited. I don't really expect people that have never served in the military to really know the difference.
Also, a retiree is allowed to invite anyone that he chooses as a guest speaker at his own retirement ceremony. Even if his Commanding Officer doesn't want the guest there, the CO has no authority or right to "banish" someone.
But the point is that this isn't a systemic attack on religion by the air force or Obama, or "them"...
Quote:He wasn't "banished" by the base commander. It was his unit commander that didn't want him to be invited. I don't really expect people that have never served in the military to really know the difference.
Also, a retiree is allowed to invite anyone that he chooses as a guest speaker at his own retirement ceremony. Even if his Commanding Officer doesn't want the guest there, the CO has no authority or right to "banish" someone.
I know the difference, I'm working with what I read. Now then, you go right ahead and tell a Navy Captain or Air Force or Army Colonel that someone they don't want on their base will be there. See how far those "rights" get you.
Quote:I know the difference, I'm working with what I read. Now then, you go right ahead and tell a Navy Captain or Air Force or Army Colonel that someone they don't want on their base will be there. See how far those "rights" get you.
First of all, my comments weren't directed towards you specifically. I was pointing out the mis-information about him being "banned" from the base. That isn't the case. He wasn't "provoking" any kind of incident.
Second of all, I routinely in my current job have told higher ranking officials that they couldn't go into certain rooms because they didn't have the proper credentials. I've had higher ranking officials try to override me, but when dealing with classified information and the law, they don't have the authority. Needless to say, I've made a few "enemies".
Finally, when I was in the service I told my own Commanding Officer how my reenlistment ceremony was going to go, even with his objection because he did not have the authority to dictate how my event was going to go.
Contrary to belief by some, Commanding Officers aren't always the rank of a Navy Captain or a Marine, Army or Air Force
Colonel, and even if they are their rank doesn't give them any special right or privilege to dictate to people under their command. They are supposed to be leaders.
So you admit that this is an outlier situation, and not systemic.
You're basically proving that you have a persecution complex regarding this issue.
You've overblown one incident to make a political point about a war on religion that doesn't exist.
Quote:First of all, my comments weren't directed towards you specifically. I was pointing out the mis-information about him being "banned" from the base. That isn't the case. He wasn't "provoking" any kind of incident.
Sure he was. Look at how quickly the one service man reacted when Rodriguez started his speech, and how quickly others joined when Rodriguez resisted. There were acknowledged attempts to bar him from even being there, never mind reading his speech. According to another contributor there is a long history between Rodriguez and the unit commander. Regardless of who is right or wrong on either side, Rodriguez was an idiot if he wasn't expecting an incident when he recited his speech, but he asserted his right to be there. That is provocation, whether it was justified, or not.
Quote:Sure he was. Look at how quickly the one service man reacted when Rodriguez started his speech, and how quickly others joined when Rodriguez resisted. There were acknowledged attempts to bar him from even being there, never mind reading his speech. According to another contributor there is a long history between Rodriguez and the unit commander. Regardless of who is right or wrong on either side, Rodriguez was an idiot if he wasn't expecting an incident when he recited his speech, but he asserted his right to be there. That is provocation, whether it was justified, or not.
Just think about the part in bold...
Quote:Source?
Also, based on your analysis, it sounds like he was trying to do an end run around the commander.
I'm pretty sure military folks would consider a move like that as picking a fight...
I am the source. You make a pretty broad statement about military folks considering you've had two or more in this discussion try to explain the reasoning behind the event. I am one of the two and retired last year after 23 years. I have intimate knowledge of the situation and have tried to give tidbits without overstepping my bounds. The facts are that there was beef between the two that started when they were within the same unit, yes this also was because "God" was part of his rendition, yes the squadron commander attempted to abuse power and bar Sgt. Rodriquez from from base and then from the ceremony (neither of which he has the lawful authority to do). Based on past events and the attempted barment, Sgt Rodriguez cleared through Security Forces and gave them a heads up of what may occur. Sgt. Rodriguez was at the ceremony at the request of the retiree. The "official" ceremony had concluded and the First Sgt. and Squadron CC were no longer needed, but warned they would remain in an attempt to keep the "unofficial" script from taking place. Regardless, Sgt. Rodriguez had every right to be there and the CC did not have a right to do what he and his minions did. This will get swept under the rug until the Lt. Colonel retires. Book it!