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Quote:What the hell is the deal with Mark Davis hair?

 

 

 

All growed up.

 

 

I do find it interesting how the league has transformed over the past decade or so.

 

There was a time not that long ago when the NFL would have scoffed at the notion of going into Las Vegas.  Goodell has moved the NFL into a world where everything is coin operated.

That haircut is freakin' hilarious.

 

There is no way I could keep a straight face if I was talking to him.

Sadly, the day when intangibles were taken into account like Team History and Fan Loyalty are long gone.

 

The big winner ----- The Oakland A's ----- new stadium forthcoming.  I'm sure it will have a beautiful backdrop of such a lovely city ..... yes, the Oakland fans will be able to view San Fran gleaming at them as they look beyond the outfield and the bay.

Quote:I do find it interesting how the league has transformed over the past decade or so.

 

There was a time not that long ago when the NFL would have scoffed at the notion of going into Las Vegas.  Goodell has moved the NFL into a world where everything is coin operated.

The league has changed, but I don't think the relocations are an indicia of how much things have changed.

 

Stadiums have always driven the franchise relocations.

 

In the 1980s, the Rams moved to Anaheim, the Raiders moved to Los Angeles, the Colts moved to Indy, and the Cardinals moved to Arizona all due to stadium issues.  In the 1990s, the Raiders moved back to Oakland, Cleveland moved to Baltimore, the Rams moved to St. Louis, and the Oilers moved to Tennessee all due to stadium issues.

 

The Raiders, Chargers, and Rams all relocated now due to stadium issues.  Now the Raiders and Chargers had two of the oldest and most decrepit stadiums in the league, and they couldn't get a deal on new stadiums.  The Rams, at least compared to the Raiders and Chargers, had a relatively brand new stadium.  But compared to the rest of the league, their stadium became antiquated.  Despite having a provision in their lease guaranteeing the Rams would have a top stadium, St. Louis did not provide it in time to stop Kroenke from exploring the Los Angeles market.

The Raiders should go by the Vegas Raiders and not the Las Vegas Raiders.   Sounds so much better.

 

Heck, if Tampa Bay Bucs can go by the body of water why can't the Raiders simply go by an the referenced name of their new destination.

Quote:The league has changed, but I don't think the relocations are an indicia of how much things have changed.


Stadiums have always driven the franchise relocations.


In the 1980s, the Rams moved to Anaheim, the Raiders moved to Los Angeles, the Colts moved to Indy, and the Cardinals moved to Arizona all due to stadium issues. In the 1990s, the Raiders moved back to Oakland, Cleveland moved to Baltimore, the Rams moved to St. Louis, and the Oilers moved to Tennessee all due to stadium issues.


The Raiders, Chargers, and Rams all relocated now due to stadium issues. Now the Raiders and Chargers had two of the oldest and most decrepit stadiums in the league, and they couldn't get a deal on new stadiums. The Rams, at least compared to the Raiders and Chargers, had a relatively brand new stadium. But compared to the rest of the league, their stadium became antiquated. Despite having a provision in their lease guaranteeing the Rams would have a top stadium, St. Louis did not provide it in time to stop Kroenke from exploring the Los Angeles market.

Sorry but I'm calling ya on the last statement. St Louis did put forth a stadium proposal; Kroenke basically ignored it. He tanked it there on purpose; he always wanted that team in LA, and never acted in good faith. That's why I'm glad he didn't get the Jaguars; otherwise it probably be us in LA and Shad would be investing in the St Louis Rams

Quote:Sorry but I'm calling ya on the last statement. St Louis did put forth a stadium proposal; Kroenke basically ignored it. He tanked it there on purpose; he always wanted that team in LA, and never acted in good faith. That's why I'm glad he didn't get the Jaguars; otherwise it probably be us in LA and Shad would be investing in the St Louis Rams

 

 

I indicated they did not put forth a viable stadium proposal " in time to stop Kroenke from exploring the Los Angeles market."

 

Kroenke assumed majority control of the Rams in 2010.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/...76183.html

 

An interesting blurb in the article suggests the stadium was an issue before he gained majority control...

 

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But to some observers, Kroenke's purchase also raises concerns about the long-term viability of the Rams franchise in St. Louis. With a stadium lease issue on the horizon, a worst-case situation could have the Rams free to leave St. Louis after the 2014 season.

 

 

On or around Feb 1 2014, Kroenke purchased 60 acres of land in Los Angeles.

 

Espn details the timeline

 

http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nfl/stor...os-angeles

 

Of note...

 

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In 2012, the St. Louis Convention and Visitors Commission proposed a $124 million upgrade to help the Edward Jones Dome reach the "first tier" standard.

The Rams countered with a more elaborate proposal that was estimated to cost close to $700 million.

 
In February of last year, an arbitrator heard both proposals and ruled in favor of the Rams. Soon after, the commission made it clear it does not intend to follow through with the plan, meaning the lease will almost certainly expire after next season.

 

St. Louis knew of the clause in the lease it negotiated with the Rams.  St. Louis knew that if the stadium was not up to par in accordance to the terms it negotiated, the Rams could leave.  St. Louis knew there was a dispute over the meaning of those terms.  They went to arbitration and the two proposals were heard, and St. Louis knew the arbitrator agreed with the Rams.  St. Louis then decided to let the agreement lapse.  Based upon the timeline established by the article, after this is when Kroenke purchased the 60 acres of land in Los Angeles.

 

In 2015-three years after the proposals referenced above and a year after Kroenke bought the 60 acres in Los Angeles, St. Louis proposed an open air stadium for $988 million-almost $300 million more than the Kroenke proposal they rejected and the arbitrator accepted.

 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/st-lo...les-080315

 

Taking these at face value, I think St. Louis had actual and constructive (knew or should have known) notice of the terms of the lease, the state of the stadium, and the Rams dissatisfaction.  They had knowledge the Rams found their proposal inadequate.  When the arbitrator ruled against St. Louis, they decided to let the lease lapse.

 

St. Louis lowballed and dragged their feet until it was too late.

 

What makes this particularly bad is that St. Louis had experience with this very dynamic back in the 1980s.

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Apparently he drives or flys a couple hours to have it cut by a specific barber. According to an interview I read, he keeps it deliberately because it makes people talk and underestimate him. The younger Davis is more sly than you think.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/13735...ng-oakland

Excellent read btw

 

One of my favorite quotes "Here comes that laugh again, carrying with it a measure of disbelief. He's worth an estimated $500 million, but when he visits his home in Palm Desert, he drives a $12-a-day rental car to save the $50 cab ride to and from the airport. Until nine months ago, when back surgery prompted a regimen of exercise and healthy eating, he spent Tuesday nights with Oakland fullback Marcel Reece and ex-Raider George Atkinson at Hooters for $12.99 all-you-can-eat-wings night. "They never charge us," Davis says, "but it just feels better to say you're getting all you can eat for $12.""