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South Park had it right. 

 

Quote:I won't argue that. Not just the candidate but the campaign itself.

Question on the other side is...was Trump the best option from that long list of candidates? Can the same argument be made that the Republicans didn't put forth a viable candidate either?

So we ended up the two pieces of [BAD WORD REMOVED] for an option?

It was bad enough in Florida that there were more write in names than the margin in which Trump beat Clinton.

Like smelling sewer or a dead skunk. Choices.

Well, if you were one of the many who believed in the fake CNN polling, then you most likely thought that Trump had no chance against Hillary while other Republican candidates did.

Quote:Wrong. It wasn't the voters fault for the Trump election. You can blame the democrats for putting up such a horrible candidate for Trump to run against.

 

Yep.  We started with a couple of dozen candidates and potential candidates, and we wound up with the absolute worst two candidates in American history.  

Quote:Well, if you were one of the many who believed in the fake CNN polling, then you most likely thought that Trump had no chance against Hillary while other Republican candidates did.

I wasn't concerned with polls. My concern was with issues that mattered. Who could lead. Who could reach across the aisle. Who will do what's best for the majority not minority. What I thought of polls and who would win is irrelevant. Of course I didn't think Trump would win, I lost some bets. He did. I live with it. Prove yourself now and win my support.

But it doesn't matter as long as the party of no and it's splinter group keep things stagnated and live up to their name. Unless of course the 7 years of repeal and replace and its recent failure was all fake news.

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Quote:It hurts me to hear that but I know you are right. It's heartbreaking really, if Trump is as conservative as he keeps telling us, Rand Paul should be his best friend in the Senate. The sooner he realizes that the Paul Ryan wing of the party is not his friend, the better off he will be. 

 

Trump isn't a conservative.  Let's just get that straight from the start.  He's a pragmatist.

 

The White House was talking to Rand Paul last week about his proposal, trying to see what could be done to get his support for the existing bill.  Fortunately, he wasn't willing to cave, and the conservatives stuck to their guns.  This "repeal" plan Ryan was trotting out there was a joke, and the rhetoric they were spinning was no different than Pelosi saying we'd need to pass the bill to find out what's in it. 

 

It basically left the majority of ObamaCare intact.  It would have been a hollow victory if they actually got the votes. Essentially, nothing would have changed.  Having this thing blow up the way it has is actually an opportunity to go back to the drawing board.  The republicans (establishment RINO sect) submitted several repeal bills to Obama for his veto, but when they had the ability to actually do something about it, they chickened out.  Everyone knows this ObamaCare law is a joke that is going to implode.  Something will have to be done, and in typical fashion, congress will sit on their hands until there is a looming crisis on the horizon and they've got no choice. 

 

Rand Paul's bill will end up being the most feasible option at that point.

Quote:It would have been a hollow victory if they actually got the votes.

 

Agree.

 

If you really think about it, that Plan was about as close to Obama care that it's going get.  In reality, the Dems should have all voted Yes, knowing any future Plan that is going to be tweaked & proposed is going to actually be less comparable than the existing Obamacare.

 

Now that politics is being exposed, one can see how this truly reflects that which was portrayed in House of Cards.

Quote:No, it wasn't Trump's mistake, it was the voters' mistake.  When you elect a non-politician to a political office that demands real political skill, that is a huge mistake.   We elected a person who is not interested in politics or policy.   It's like saying "I'm tired of doctors; the next time I need an operation, I'm going to let my next door neighbor do it."  Or, "I'm sick of lawyers.  Next time I'm in court, I'm going to represent myself." 

 

The Presidency is a political office.   To run it effectively, you need to be a politician.  

 

He didn't know enough about the health care bill to sell it.   He isn't skilled enough at politics to round up a majority.   He's incompetent. 

 

Whatever you want to say about Obama, at least he took the time and effort and had the political skill to get his health care program through congress.   Trump?   He took a couple of weeks, didn't know any of the details in the bill, didn't get any important interest groups on board, in therefore, he failed.  

 

It's incompetence leading to failure.  

 

Failure to sell a bad piece of legislation is a win in my book. In this case I'd much rather have Trump than someone like Kasich.


 

Right now Obamacare is still in force. It has already proven to be a disaster and the problems with it are getting worse. As long as Obamacare remains the Dems will be taking the blame.

Quote:Failure to sell a bad piece of legislation is a win in my book. In this case I'd much rather have Trump than someone like Kasich.


 

Right now Obamacare is still in force. It has already proven to be a disaster and the problems with it are getting worse. As long as Obamacare remains the Dems will be taking the blame.

That this poorly written, poorly planned, and poorly vetted piece of legislation failed is a win for all Americans.  It is not about democrats or republicans but for all of us working class stiffs.  The sooner we stop squaring off into camps and fighting each other when we have so much common ground the better for all of us.

 

Here is a thought, why can't both sides of the isle come together and fix what is wrong the ACA?  Forget the blame, forget the fame and just fix what both sides know is wrong right now.

 

Rant over.

Quote:Failure to sell a bad piece of legislation is a win in my book. In this case I'd much rather have Trump than someone like Kasich.


 

Right now Obamacare is still in force. It has already proven to be a disaster and the problems with it are getting worse. As long as Obamacare remains the Dems will be taking the blame.

 

I think right now, Trump will try to blame the democrats.   But isn't that sort of like the fire department blaming you for your house burning down, even though they stood outside your house and watched it burn?   "Hey, let it burn.  That'll teach 'em not to smoke in bed."   You really think they can pull that off and avoid blame for the house burning down?  

Quote:That this poorly written, poorly planned, and poorly vetted piece of legislation failed is a win for all Americans. It is not about democrats or republicans but for all of us working class stiffs. The sooner we stop squaring off into camps and fighting each other when we have so much common ground the better for all of us.


Here is a thought, why can't both sides of the isle come together and fix what is wrong the ACA? Forget the blame, forget the fame and just fix what both sides know is wrong right now.

Because neither side will do a full repeal.