With all the Peppers hype since his combine/pro day, I can't help but draw Myles Jack comparisons. Peppers currently projects as a hybrid safety/linebacker, similar to how people viewed Jack coming out last year. Since then, Jack seems to have settled into an OLB role and is viewed as a potential long term solution at MLB in Jacksonville. Both players were lined up all over their respective defenses and had roles on other sides of the ball (Peppers as returner/RB and Jack as RB).
Here are some of their numbers:
Physical comparison:
Jack: 6'1 - 245lbs - 10 1/4" hands
Peppers 5'11 213lbs - 9 5/8" hands
40 time:
Jack: did not run
Peppers: 4.46
Bench press:
Jack: 19 reps
Peppers: 19 reps
Vertical:
Jack: 40"
Peppers: 35.5"
Broad jump:
Jack: 10'4
Peppers: 10'8
How do you view Peppers as a prospect compared to Jack coming out last year? What kind of defensive scheme will best suit him?
I think he'll be a good SS in the NFL after a year or two with some quality coaching.
Quote:With all the Peppers hype since his combine/pro day, I can't help but draw Myles Jack comparisons. Peppers currently projects as a hybrid safety/linebacker, similar to how people viewed Jack coming out last year. Since then, Jack seems to have settled into an OLB role and is viewed as a potential long term solution at MLB in Jacksonville. Both players were lined up all over their respective defenses and had roles on other sides of the ball (Peppers as returner/RB and Jack as RB).
Here are some of their numbers:
Physical comparison:
Jack: 6'1 - 245lbs - 10 1/4" hands
Peppers 5'11 213lbs - 9 5/8" hands
40 time:
Jack: did not run
Peppers: 4.46
Bench press:
Jack: 19 reps
Peppers: 19 reps
Vertical:
Jack: 40"
Peppers: 35.5"
Broad jump:
Jack: 10'4
Peppers: 10'8
How do you view Peppers as a prospect compared to Jack coming out last year? What kind of defensive scheme will best suit him?
Safety. Definitely too small to play LB. In outlier circumstances he may line up there but he should be a decent SS for a long time.
Myles Jack while athletically he could probably drop and cover a deep 3rd, he's a LB a very athletic one...but he's a LB. The safety talk came from one team and people just ran with it.
Jabrill Peppers played in the box a lot and was listed as a LB in college for a year. But he's a SS. The success of Deone Buchanan has people wanting to stick a SS at LB, for Peppers I believe that would be a misuse.
I think Jack was a better athlete coming out and also had the right size to fit in the NFL whereas Peppers seems more like a tweener. Jack would have had a great 40 and is just a freak.
Jack was in fact covering WRs in college so that's why people said that. But he's totally a LB, just a really athletic one.
I think the similarities are only superficial.
There have been many players who have been deemed tweeners who have moved between DL & LB or LB & DB.
Myles Jack hit like a freight train in college and was an extremely physical linebacker who could cover receivers decently if needed to.
Peppers is an athlete with no real position who was hyped a ton because he played on offense and is a very good kick returner. If he's going to be a safety at the next level he's probably the 9th or 10th best prospect at that spot in the draft.
Quote:Myles Jack hit like a freight train in college and was an extremely physical linebacker who could cover receivers decently if needed to.
Peppers is an athlete with no real position who was hyped a ton because he played on offense and is a very good kick returner. If he's going to be a safety at the next level he's probably the 9th or 10th best prospect at that spot in the draft.
In Mike Mayock's Top 5 by Position (v2.0), he put Peppers as the number 1 safety in this draft. I think you could make an argument to place him below Adams, Hooker, and possibly Baker or Melifonwu...but not 9th or 10th.
I don't see him being a better prospect than Hooker or Adams. Especially not Adams
I would love to ask Mayock the same question Eric Stoner asked a few months ago, cause I don't see it at all.
beaux @BeauxJaxson 28 Dec 2016
ask someone to show you 5 plays that show he (Peppers) is a first round player that aren't kick returns and get ready to wait
Quote:I would love to ask Mayock the same question Eric Stoner asked a few months ago, cause I don't see it at all.
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/BeauxJaxson'>beaux @BeauxJaxson</a> <a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/BeauxJaxson/status/814219216937095168'>28 Dec 2016</a>
ask someone to show you 5 plays that show he (Peppers) is a first round player that aren't kick returns and get ready to wait
I said the same thing. Actually I said, he plays all over the place but he's not top 5 at any.
At the next level he's a SS. But I think he will struggle in coverage. He's gonna be awesome on special teams.
Quote:In Mike Mayock's Top 5 by Position (v2.0), he put Peppers as the number 1 safety in this draft. I think you could make an argument to place him below Adams, Hooker, and possibly Baker or Melifonwu...but not 9th or 10th.
Generally like Mayocks takes but not this one. I'll take guys who have actually played safety in college and been productive players there. Adams, Hooker, Obi, Baker, Eddie Jackson, Justin Evans, Josh Jones, Marcus Williams, Xavier Williams and Desmond King are all guys I'd take ahead of Peppers if I wanted a safety.
Peppers vs Jack? I don't see the comparison at all. Jack is taller, bigger and a superior athlete. I don't get the Peppers hype. He's a decent athlete but I think he will struggle to find a position at the next level outside of special teams.
213 lbs???? Dang...that's even lighter than Telvin.
Quote:213 lbs???? Dang...that's even lighter than Telvin.
Yeah, 5'11 and 213 doesn't say LB at all. Either a S or RB.
Here's a good analysis on Peppers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW4HK4HXEi0
He makes some good points that he was better in man coverage in the slot and could be a good Nickel guy as well as provide value as a KR/PR. Still not better than Jack as a prospect, but that's okay, he was an elite prospect.
Quote:Here's a good analysis on Peppers:<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW4HK4HXEi0'> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW4HK4HXEi0</a>
He makes some good points that he was better in man coverage in the slot and could be a good Nickel guy as well as provide value as a KR/PR. Still not better than Jack as a prospect, but that's okay, he was an elite prospect.
Only watched the first half but pretty good points. Exactly why I would draft a ton of safeties over him too.
Yeah, a lot depends on who's there and their scheme. If you're going to play him at SS, it'd probably be better in a cover 1 or cover 3 where he can play close to the LOS and play man in the slot if needed. He's got some upside for sure. I still think he's a day 2 pick, but only takes one team to fall in love with him to be taken in the first.
Quote:Yeah, a lot depends on who's there and their scheme. If you're going to play him at SS, it'd probably be better in a cover 1 or cover 3 where he can play close to the LOS and play man in the slot if needed. He's got some upside for sure. I still think he's a day 2 pick, but only takes one team to fall in love with him to be taken in the first.
Adams and Hooker are the best safety prospects since Berry and Earl Thomas.
Quote:Adams and Hooker are the best safety prospects since Berry and Earl Thomas.
I am not arguing that at all.