I haven't really had a chance to watch Cal games but I saw this article on ESPN and wanted to see what you all thought of him.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/story/...ock-rising
Does anyone really see him as a first rounder or are teams throwing smokescreens to throw each other off?
Obviously he isn't a #4 overall pick, but do you think he is worth taking in the 3rd if we can get him there?
Decision making and accuracy issues beyond 10 yards doesn't project well for a supposed 1st round talent. Might be worth developing for a 3rd round pick, but these issues are killers for me.
He throws the best deep ball in this class and maybe last years class too.
No. He's a 2nd rounder at best, most likely an early 3rd. He shouldn't even sniff the field for 2 years in IMO. Purely a developmental QB who need to sit and learn behind a veteran. Throwing this kid in the starting lineup too soon, could be disastrous.
We've seen this game before. This is just like when Ryan Nassib and Tom Savage were potential first round picks.
There is no way in hell that Webb sniffs the first round.
Quote:I haven't really had a chance to watch Cal games but I saw this article on ESPN and wanted to see what you all thought of him.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/story/...ock-rising
Does anyone really see him as a first rounder or are teams throwing smokescreens to throw each other off?
Obviously he isn't a #4 overall pick, but do you think he is worth taking in the 3rd if we can get him there?
I started armchair scouting him a few months back as a fifth round candidate and I'd be very happy if our F.O. selected him in the third round now. He might go late second, and he has been steadily climbing boards but I doubt he goes earlier than that.
He and Mahomes are the only QBs I really like in this draft. Here's the thread I started on him in November last year:
https://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/to...bb-cal-qb/
Quote:He and Mahomes are the only QBs I really like in this draft.
I find myself liking Nathan Peterman. This is from nfl.com...
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Peterman's experience in a pro-style passing attack gives him a head start headed into the league. His physical attributes are just average, but his accuracy, composure and anticipation are what sets him apart from some of the more physically gifted quarterbacks in this year's draft. Peterman's tape is sure to catch the eye of at least a few teams in need of a quarterback and he should come off the board by day two with a chance to become a solid starting quarterback in the future.
Quote:I find myself liking Nathan Peterman. This is from nfl.com...
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<p style="margin-left:40px;">Peterman's experience in a pro-style passing attack gives him a head start headed into the league. His physical attributes are just average, but his accuracy, composure and anticipation are what sets him apart from some of the more physically gifted quarterbacks in this year's draft. Peterman's tape is sure to catch the eye of at least a few teams in need of a quarterback and he should come off the board by day two with a chance to become a solid starting quarterback in the future.
If the Jags were bent on finding a plan B quarterback - but insistent on waiting until at least the 4th round to do so - then Peterman is the guy.
I prefer Webb by a healthy margin though.
Quote:If the Jags were bent on finding a plan B quarterback - but insistent on waiting until at least the 4th round to do so - then Peterman is the guy.
I prefer Webb by a healthy margin though.
4th round? I don't see Peterman getting anywhere near round four. I see him going late round two possibly ahead of Webb and Kayya.
That said, I'll go ahead and move Webb up over Kayya in my rankings. So they now look like...
- Kizer
- Trubisky
- Mahomes
- Watson
- Peterman
- Webb
- Kaaya
- Evans
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4th round? I don't see Peterman getting anywhere near round four. I see him going late round two possibly ahead of Webb and Kayya.
I think he'll go late round three or early round 4, but someone may like him more than me. Very possible.
I don't think many folks would agree with my ranking of this QB class, but it's a bit of a weird/weak class. I tend to rank these guys with more consideration given to potential for long term success as opposed to which are more "pro-ready."
I view Webb and Mahomes similarly to the way I viewed Garoppolo a while back. Not worth gambling my first-rounder, but possessing enough real potential to be worth a second or third.
I wouldn't take any of this class of QBs in the first unless I could really afford to spend picks - (something the Jags can't afford to do right now.)
Peterman is my guy as well.
I remember going to a Bartram Trail - St Augustine high school game when Nathan Peterman was the QB at Bartram. We were just there to enjoy the game, didnt know who any of the players were. I believe St Augustine killed them. Anyways, fast forward a year and as I was going through the SEC recruits, I was pretty surprised to see his name listed at Tennessee. I actually didnt know who he was but to double check, I googled the box score to verify if he played the game I watched. And yep it was him. Pretty surprised because at no point in that BT/St Aug game did I think I was looking at high level D1 starting QBs on either team. I just assumed Tenn was filling out their roster. So a few years later when I heard he transferred out of Tenn, I didnt think anything of it but wasnt surprised.
So now fast forward a couple more years and I watched a few Pittsburgh games. He was a solid player. Seems like he makes good decisions. Not a huge guy. Not a huge arm. Not overly athletic. At no point when I watched those games did I think I was looking at a future NFL starter. But now that I'm hearing he may go into the 2nd round of the draft, I'm stunned again! This kid keeps defying my odds.
He looks to me like he could make a great backup with the potential to be a game manager in the right system. But that's more like a 5th rounder in my eyes. Not a 2nd.
Via NFL.com on Davis Webb...
WEAKNESSES
Robotic decision-making. Decision on where to go with ball seems predetermined despite coverages. Needs to get better at manipulating safeties with his eyes. Inconsistent velocity to sideline causes nose of ball to dip. Drive throws sometime sail. Has slow setup in pocket with excessive pre-release steps. Cornerbacks contest too many throws due to lack of anticipation. Timing passes must come out sooner. Plagued by accuracy issues and decision-making outside the numbers on both intermediate and deep throws. Five of his 12 interceptions in 2016 were along deep sidelines due to under-throws and failure to read safety help. Touch and placement are an issue when forced to leave the pocket. Not a factor as a scrambler.
BOTTOM LINE
System quarterback with more than 65 percent of his attempts coming inside of 10 yards. Webb has enough raw talent to be considered a developmental prospect, but his decision-making and accuracy issues beyond 10 yards is a big red flag that might be tough to overcome in the NFL.
Quote:Peterman is my guy as well.
There's a lot to like about Peterman. If I were the Jaguars, I'd take him in the 3rd round, because he'll probably be gone by the 4th.
Rd. 1- Allen
2- Feeney
3- Peterman
4- Best running back left
5- Tight end- Hopefully Sprinkle is still there.
Quote:4th round? I don't see Peterman getting anywhere near round four. I see him going late round two possibly ahead of Webb and Kayya.
That said, I'll go ahead and move Webb up over Kayya in my rankings. So they now look like...
<ul class="bbcol decimal">[*]Kizer
[*]Trubisky
[*]Mahomes
[*]Watson
[*]Peterman
[*]Webb
[*]Kaaya
[*]Evans
</ul>
Watson is easily the best or atleast second best QB. Having him at 4 in your rankings is just pure crazy.
Kizer is Brett Hundley to me. He's 3rd round material in my rankings. Webb is late 2 or early 3 for me.
Quote:I tend to rank these guys with more consideration given to potential for long term success as opposed to which are more "pro-ready."
This is why one would like Peterman. He's not pro ready and will need time to develop, but he's projected to have the skills capable of developing into a starter. Kaaya is probably the opposite. That is, he's as ready as he's going to get and could probably play as a rookie, but he has issues that are always going to haunt him wherein he may never really surpass his rookie ceiling.
Here's a good read on Peterman...
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https://www.fanragsports.com/nfl/nathan-...nfl-draft/
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I also noticed an article where Sportingnews is calling him the potential "steal of the draft" in the mold of Derrick Carr and Russell Wilson.
Quote:Watson is easily the best or atleast second best QB. Having him at 4 in your rankings is just pure crazy.
Kizer is Brett Hundley to me. He's 3rd round material in my rankings. Webb is late 2 or early 3 for me.
I'll say it's really close between Mahomes and Watson for me, but I sense less issues with Mahomes. All four are really good QBs as the debate is really about who is the 5th best. I still think Peterman with his 5.8 nfl.com grade at least edges out Webb and his 5.3 nfl.com grade.
Webb throws a really pretty ball in the highlights I have seen. In the interviews I have seen with him, I really like his mindset and attitude. He seems like a Coughlin Man if we got him in the 3rd.
Webb has been told by 10 different NFL teams that he will be going in the first round.
This is crazy. I think his best case scenario is 2nd round but somebody out there wants him before that from what it sounds like.
Quote:Webb has been told by 10 different NFL teams that he will be going in the first round.
This is crazy.
I don't think so. There was a somewhat similar late rise for Bortles on boards in 2014, IIRC. Like Blake, Webb has that prototypical size that some GMs still see as a must at the position.
He's got that coach's kid pedigree with solid mechanics and above average football IQ. His "tape" shows he can already make all of the "game manager" type of throws with timing and accuracy consistently. He has a
strong arm and a pretty accurate deep ball.
Throws a nice fade. There are some good examples of him
looking off defenders in his college cut-ups.
He'll just need time to get his decision making up to speed in the league and probably no small amount of work at reading NFL defenses. Lots of his decisions were made for him in Cal's offense. Though he had a bit more freedom at Texas Tech as a freshman and sophomore.
He does have
some accuracy issues at times, but nothing crazy.
If a team has the luxury of a veteran QB with a year or two of starting ability left and wants to groom the next guy - they could conceivably use the late first round pick on this kid.
I think his value makes more sense in the late second or early third, but I see why scouts might like him enough to gamble earlier.