Quote:I dont think they will. I think SD will go Tunsil and Dallas goes Ramsey which is the best case scenario for the Jags. Dave gets his pick from the 2 best players in the draft and 2 biggest positions of need. Bosa and Jack. win win
I just don't get why they would. That'd be like us taking Tunsil at 5 instead of taking Jack or Bosa. Their oline was bombarded with injuries and they already have a very solid LT. Why draft one with a high end defensive talent there when you desperately need help on that side?
Quote:I just don't get why they would. That'd be like us taking Tunsil at 5 instead of taking Jack or Bosa. Their oline was bombarded with injuries and they already have a very solid LT. Why draft one with a high end defensive talent there when you desperately need help on that side?
If they have Ramsey rated as the higher player, that's fine. However, San Diego passing on Tunsil specifically because they have Dunlap would be like us passing on Jack because with have Poz. They're solid starters, but they're both on the wrong side of 30 plus Dunlap has an injury history.
Quote:If they have Ramsey rated as the higher player, that's fine. However, San Diego passing on Tunsil specifically because they have Dunlap would be like us passing on Jack because with have Poz. They're solid starters, but they're both on the wrong side of 30 plus Dunlap has an injury history.
Ok, so if we have Tunsil rated as a better talent then Jack and/or Bosa on pure value, we should take Tunsil? If that's what your saying fine, but it seems like people are just trying to say Tunsil to SD just because it makes our draft look better and will cause another elite d player to fall. They have a solid LT. You don't pass on a guy because of it, but it opens up the possibility of being ok to go elsewhwre, and Ramsey is the top player on a lot of boards according to most.
Quote:I just don't get why they would. That'd be like us taking Tunsil at 5 instead of taking Jack or Bosa. Their oline was bombarded with injuries and they already have a very solid LT. Why draft one with a high end defensive talent there when you desperately need help on that side?
Chargers LT King Dunlap has agreed to a $1.2 million pay cut for 2016.
Dunlap's salary has been slashed from $4.5 million to $3.3 million, but he can earn back all $1.2 million through playing-time incentives. A high-ankle sprain and concussion helped limit Dunlap to only seven appearances in 2015. When he was on the field, he struggled. Dunlap turns 31 in September. Mar 14 - 2:35 PM
Dunlap is about to turn 31 and his a history with concussion. I would think their main goal is to protect Phillip Rivers and when you can take what some see as the best LT prospect to come out in years they wont pass it up when it seems year after year SD oline has had problems. Why do you think the majority of the fans want Tunsil?
Quote:Ok, so if we have Tunsil rated as a better talent then Jack and/or Bosa on pure value, we should take Tunsil? If that's what your saying fine, but it seems like people are just trying to say Tunsil to SD just because it makes our draft look better and will cause another elite d player to fall. They have a solid LT. You don't pass on a guy because of it, but it opens up the possibility of being ok to go elsewhwre, and Ramsey is the top player on a lot of boards according to most.
I posted the SD message board. They wanted Tunsil by a landslide. Why is that?
Quote:Chargers LT King Dunlap has agreed to a $1.2 million pay cut for 2016.
Dunlap's salary has been slashed from $4.5 million to $3.3 million, but he can earn back all $1.2 million through playing-time incentives. A high-ankle sprain and concussion helped limit Dunlap to only seven appearances in 2015. When he was on the field, he struggled. Dunlap turns 31 in September. Mar 14 - 2:35 PM
Dunlap is about to turn 31 and his a history with concussion. I would think their main goal is to protect Phillip Rivers and when you can take what some see as the best LT prospect to come out in years they wont pass it up when it seems year after year SD oline has had problems. Why do you think the majority of the fans want Tunsil?
Most SD fans I've talked to have said they like Dunlap and would prefer Ramsey. Guess it depends where you go.
According to most SD fans their interior is what caused their oline to faulter. I mean they were on their 3rd center at one point.
Tunsil has a shot to be the pick, but Id lean towards it being Ramsey. They want playmakers. That D needs a ton of work, especially the secondary.
Quote:I posted the SD message board. They wanted Tunsil by a landslide. Why is that?
Again, depends where you go. I post on multiple forums, the main one has most preferring Ramsey and they think the line just needs hekp on the interior. Only 1 guy that I know is all on Tunsil bandwagon from thst place.
Quote:Ok, so if we have Tunsil rated as a better talent then Jack and/or Bosa on pure value, we should take Tunsil? If that's what your saying fine, but it seems like people are just trying to say Tunsil to SD just because it makes our draft look better and will cause another elite d player to fall. They have a solid LT. You don't pass on a guy because of it, but it opens up the possibility of being ok to go elsewhwre, and Ramsey is the top player on a lot of boards according to most.
First off, I'd consider Beachum a much better LT than Dunlap and I'd argue that we're set there long term unless something happens with Beachum's recovery, I wouldn't say the same thing about San Diego's outlook at the position. Anyways, I never really thought that Dunlap was more than a middling tackle, now he's over 30 and has quite an injury history especially with his concussions. Plus I can't see Dave picking another offensive tackle in the top five within four seasons.
Quote:First off, I'd consider Beachum a much better LT than Dunlap and I'd argue that we're set there long term unless something happens with Beachum's recovery, I wouldn't say the same thing about San Diego's outlook at the position. Anyways, I never really thought that Dunlap was more than a middling tackle, now he's over 30 and has quite an injury history especially with his concussions. Plus I can't see Dave picking another offensive tackle in the top five within four seasons.
Beachum has to prove his worth for us to exercise a 10m per year contract on him. Joeckel isn't getting his option picked up. If Beachum struggles a little bit, what do we have going into 2017?
Quote:Again, depends where you go. I post on multiple forums, the main one has most preferr Ramsey and they think the line just needs hekp on the interior. Only 1 guy that I know is all on Tunsil bandwagon from thst place.
I dont know what "forums" you are talking about. Im talking about their official team forum where they have thousands of their fans. Most people here want Jack, most there want Tunsil. Either way, as long as they dont take Bosa or Jack im good
Also, I've talked plenty to Steelers fans regarding Beachum. Very solid, fringe top 10 guy when at the top of his game. Best in pass pro. He's very solid no doubt, but he's coming off a serious injury and there were some LT needy teams that didn't give out a solid contract for a reason.
I'm fully behind Beachum and think he'll befine, but there is a decent amount of risk. If he was a top talent thus far in his career though Sea, Den, Pit, Nyj, etc. Would have opened up the checkbook. He wouldn't be coming somewhere with a former top 2 pick who although is replaceable has been a middle of the pack starter in all reality.
Quote:First off, I'd consider Beachum a much better LT than Dunlap and I'd argue that we're set there long term unless something happens with Beachum's recovery, I wouldn't say the same thing about San Diego's outlook at the position. Anyways, I never really thought that Dunlap was more than a middling tackle, now he's over 30 and has quite an injury history especially with his concussions. Plus I can't see Dave picking another offensive tackle in the top five within four seasons.
Agree, cant take 2 LT top 5 picks in 4 years when you had the wost defense in franchise history and we just signed Beachum and Jockel is on his prove it year.
I don't think we take a LT either, just saying Dunlap is a solid starter when healthy and Chargers are in a similar situation as we are. Tunsil is far from a sure thing at 3.
Quote:Also, I've talked plenty to Steelers fans regarding Beachum. Very solid, fringe top 10 guy when at the top of his game. Best in pass pro. He's very solid no doubt, but he's coming off a serious injury and there were some LT needy teams that didn't give out a solid contract for a reason.
I'm fully behind Beachum and think he'll befine, but there is a decent amount of risk. If he was a top talent thus far in his career though Sea, Den, Pit, Nyj, etc. Would have opened up the checkbook. He wouldn't be coming somewhere with a former top 2 pick who although is replaceable has been a middle of the pack starter in all reality.
Obviously, there is risk with him coming back from injury, but I'd still gamble on Beachum over Dunlap in the relative short term and especially in the long term. I never argued that Ramsey would be a dumb pick for San Diego or that they'll forever regret passing on Tunsil if they don't take him, but I don't think their left tackle spot is as settled as you do.
Also Pittsburgh had made an offer to Beachum that he rejected prior to his injury and now seems content with Villanueva as their LT. New York offered him a similar deal as ours, but he chose to come here instead. He had a visit scheduled with Seattle, but he never made it there due to our offer. I don't think Denver had any interest in him though.
When is the last time SD has had an elite tackle to give Rivers time, never? They have had one of the best FS in the league over the last 5 or 6 years and they were at their best when giving Rivers more help. I just hope they do take Tunsil or Ramsey
Quote:Obviously, there is risk with him coming back from injury, but I'd still gamble on Beachum over Dunlap in the relative short term and especially in the long term. I never argued that Ramsey would be a dumb pick for San Diego or that they'll forever regret passing on Tunsil if they don't take him, but I don't think their left tackle spot is as settled as you do.
Also Pittsburgh had made an offer to Beachum that he rejected prior to his injury and now seems content with Villanueva as their LT. New York offered him a similar deal as ours, but he chose to come here instead. He had a visit scheduled with Seattle, but he never made it there due to our offer. I don't think Denver had any interest in him though.
I don't think Dunlap is a world beater but he's solid and like I said, put on the tape and according to every SD fan I've talked to their problem is inside, not out.
As for Beachum, I know all those teams talked to him or even gave an offer. What I'm saying is if everyone saw him as a high end talent at LT with minimal risk coming back, he wouldn't have accepted a prove it deal with a chance at a decent extension, he would have got a guaranteed solid contract...at least you'd think so.
I was clamoring for Beachum and like him a lot. Think he can be our LT long term. I like our LT situation more than SD, but don't think SD is pigeon holed in to a LT or bust here. They have a solid option locked up for a few more yrs. Getting up there in age but not like he's at the age where he's damn near done. Got a few solid yrs left I'm sure.
Quote:When is the last time SD has had an elite tackle to give Rivers time, never? They have had one of the best FS in the league over the last 5 or 6 years and they were at their best when giving Rivers more help. I just hope they do take Tunsil or Ramsey
I hope so too man, and it's a strong possibiltiy. I just think Ramsey will be the guy based on what I've read on Dunlap and what I've heard. We'll see.
Quote:I hope so too man, and it's a strong possibiltiy. I just think Ramsey will be the guy based on what I've read on Dunlap and what I've heard. We'll see.
good, they can have him. I like Rivers though, I just hope he doesnt end the season on IR
Quote:I don't think Dunlap is a world beater but he's solid and like I said, put on the tape and according to every SD fan I've talked to their problem is inside, not out.
As for Beachum, I know all those teams talked to him or even gave an offer. What I'm saying is if everyone saw him as a high end talent at LT with minimal risk coming back, he wouldn't have accepted a prove it deal with a chance at a decent extension, he would have got a guaranteed solid contract...at least you'd think so.
I was clamoring for Beachum and like him a lot. Think he can be our LT long term. I like our LT situation more than SD, but don't think SD is pigeon holed in to a LT or bust here. They have a solid option locked up for a few more yrs. Getting up there in age but not like he's at the age where he's damn near done. Got a few solid yrs left I'm sure.
I don't either. If I'm San Diego, I just wouldn't take Tunsil off the board because I already have Dunlap.
Quote:I don't either. If I'm San Diego, I just wouldn't take Tunsil off the board because I already have Dunlap.
Well I agree there, haha. My main point is just saying I think Ramsey is more likely with their lack of talent on D and obvious need for a secondary piece. Think it could go either eay, but lean towards Ramsey being more likely.