Quote:Okay, maybe I don't know what you know about Bosa & that would change my mind on everything.. please give me the reasons why you doubt Joey Bosa will be good? Is it because he didn't realize that Jacksonville was on the water..
because I have to be honest that did change my opinion of him a lot...
If you went solely on the character interviews, I honestly was most impressed with Vernon Hargreaves III he seemed intelligent, confident, and not scripted. I was the most worried with Buckner's interview as he seemed like he had memorized what to say and then forgot, and seemed very nervous now that could just be his lack of exposure in front of a camera / social skills or it could mean something more..
I like Bosa, the main problem with him is that most don't see the ceiling being as high as Ramsey or Jack. Hell, even a guy like Buckner is arguable. With Buckner in the right system he can be a bit better Calais Campbell, he's an all-pro level DE but I think Buckner could be that or even top that by a bit personally.
But anyways, I just think he has a chance to be a very stout 10 sack type guy, Bosa that is. I don't see him ever being an elite DE, but a very good one. There were also plenty of stories about him being with Noah Spence all those times he got in trouble, but just didn't get caught, so there is some characters concerns with him.
Bosa is a good prospect, top 5, top 8 at worst in this draft class. He would most definitely help. There just are some players with ultimately higher ceilings in my eyes personally. Jack can do so much and can play multiple positions at a high level. Ramsey has gotten comparisons to guys like Charles Woodson, and has a very high ceiling although more of an athlete at this point. At 5, I think most people would rather go for the chance at getting an elite talent than a very good talent.
Bosa could end up being better than people project, I just think most seem to think his ceiling isn't that of a top tier pass rush 4-3 DE.
@SI_DougFarrar @TroyThibodeaux1 not one team red flagged him. Not one. My name is Will.
Could be that the intel on his knee's 2nd medical might have been disinformation from teams hoping he falls to them... (Myles Jack)..
I've gone back and forth on whom I hope the Jaguars draft but I think we are over thinking it. I always said I hoped that the Jaguars draft Jalen Ramsey before the combine, and before they signed FS Tashaun Gipson because I saw him as a ball hawking FS, but he would be a great cornerback too.
I think if Jalen Ramsey is there along with Myles Jack you go with the premium position player who doesnt have the questionable knee.
Then it comes down to do you trade up for either player?
I would prefer not to trade up because we need edge rush depth. We need to get a corner with Colvin being more of a slot guy and Amukamara who has had an injury history and on a 1 year deal. We need to get help at LB, and overall we just need a lot of depth help on defense. We also could use help on the interior OL and possibly a TE depending on how we feel about Koyack.
If we trade up from 5 to 2, I'm sure it'll cost us our 2nd rd pick or a high pick next year. That just seems really "meh" to me, considering someone at 5 should be there that we have high interest in such as Jack, Bosa, or even Buckner (I don't see Ramsey making it past DAL). If we REALLY love Ramsey which some believe, and we want to secure him, I won't complain about trading up to get him. I just don't know how I feel about giving up another high pick with 5 to secure that guy because we do need more youth and speed in our back 7 and a couple solid LEO options behind Fowler.
Which has more weight in how GM Dave Caldwell is going to draft 5th overall, him flying out with HC Gus Bradley for a 2nd visit with Myles Jack after his 2nd medical visit or FS Sergio Brown being released today & rumors that the Jaguars might trade up for Jalen Ramsey?
I hear you giving up next year's first round to get him and a 2nd does seem a bit too much, but what if he is another Deion Sanders? Wouldn't it be worth it rather than drafting a Cyprien SS or Luke Joeckel for example (meaning if the scouts truly feel that their is 0 gamble with getting Jalen Ramsey in that he is a 100% healthy and would be the best DB on the roster the moment he is signed isn't worth losing those picks?
Quote:Which has more weight in how GM Dave Caldwell is going to draft 5th overall, him flying out with HC Gus Bradley for a 2nd visit with Myles Jack after his 2nd medical visit or FS Sergio Brown being released today & rumors that the Jaguars might trade up for Jalen Ramsey?
The former. Cutting Sergio should have zero impact on our draft plans.
I didn't like the free agent signing of Sergio Brown, and I could go back & find my posts but I had argued that I didn't feel he was the teams answer at Free Safety which was such a critical need for this defensive scheme. I don't really have any concerns with T. Gipson playing that role & drafting Jalen gives you a great corner whom if you really need could play FS if Gipson got injured.
Sergio Brown got a very cheap contract. I don't think Dave or anyone else thought he would be the guy at FS. He was just a stop gap that we had hoped would be able to play decent enough if he started. He didn't, so we let him go.
The guy got like 3 yrs, 9M with a few mil guaranteed. You can't really act like Caldwell "missed" on an FA on a contract like that. There wasn't any risk involved.
Talking about risk...
I don't know a guy that only played 2 years in college, and has a very serious injury with a repair surgery that is a huge unknown being drafted in the Top 5, what are we talking about here? I mean in a draft that you are almost guaranteed an elite guy in the top 10 the Jaguars want to draft the highest risk one (sure possibly the biggest reward, but still very risky)... its not like the Jaguars have a good rep of drafting in the 1st round so why not right?
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I say draft Joey Bosa or Jalen Ramsey they are simply the less risky choice than Myles Jack
Quote:Talking about risk...
I don't know a guy that only played 2 years in college, and has a very serious injury with a repair surgery that is a huge unknown being drafted in the Top 5, what are we talking about here? I mean in a draft that you are almost guaranteed an elite guy in the top 10 the Jaguars want to draft the highest risk one (sure possibly the biggest reward, but still very risky)... its not like the Jaguars have a good rep of drafting in the 1st round so why not right?
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I say draft Joey Bosa or Jalen Ramsey they are simply the less risky choice than Myles Jack
Jack isn't some huge risk. He is a freak athlete that has shown to excel at multiple positions and has a rare combo of size, speed, versatility that you don't see often.His injury also isn't a serious injury. As I just showed you from a very good source he has no red flags regarding the knee, and this is generally an injury that gets fixed and you're back after 4-6 months.
They may be less risky, but it's not by much if at all. I really would prefer to just get the thought of Ramsey out of my head because he isn't going to be there at 5. He is just too high on too many boards. He could definitely be the Browns guy if they don't trade out, rumor has it the Chargers have him ahead of Tunsil, the Cowboys apparently "love" Ramsey and if he's there they would run up to get him.
If you're asking me Ramsey or Jack+2nd rd pick (which we would likely need to move to get up to 2 to get him), I'm taking the Jack and 2nd without a doubt.
I think the Ravens draft him the more I think about it they want that Ray Lewis guy back on the field while the Jaguars might have either Joey Bosa or Jalen Ramsey there and its more of a premium position than OLB & doesnt come with an injury.. I could be way wrong, ive been wrong before .. but I would hate to change my mind by simply over thinking it since we have so much time before the draft...
I do agree with you that the only way I see the Jaguars getting Jalen is if they trade up because he's probably the best athlete in the draft even over LT Tunsil.
so for arguments sake lets agree that GM Dave Caldwell doesnt want to trade up...
Now its down to Joey Bosa vs Myles Jack.. I can see arguments made for both... why don't you like Bosa again?
Oh I just re read your comments above, didnt know about the Noah Spence thing.. hmm
I'd be enamored with any of Ramsey, Jack, or Bosa. If we get any single one of them I'll be screaming on draft night. Will be very happy with guys like Buckner, Tunsil (not as much obviousy since we'd be going away from defense, but about 20 minutes after the pick when I realize we just got an all-pro potential LT I'll be pretty pumped), and possibly Lawson although he's the most skeptical piece off that list.
I just want to get better. We keep saying we desperately need to get faster in the back 7 and getting Jack back there to go with Gipson would go a long, long ways with that.
I really don't want the Jaguars to trade away next year's first round draft pick because I want GM Dave Caldwell to draft DE Da'shawn hand from Alabama (if he goes after his Junior year) & if I had a crystal ball or wand that can make that happen the need for LE Joey Bosa would go down and the need for Jalen Ramsey would go up... I also wouldn't be upset if Tunsil was drafted as Beachum might not even be ready week 1 & is only slightly better than Luke (Luke is gone IMO if not this year at the end of it).
You guys are thinking about it way too freaking much and speculating on things you know absolutely nothing about.
lol true but what else can we do with 9 more days until the draft?
Walter Football Myles Jack draft profile compared to Derrick Brooks...
<b>Player Comparison: Derrick Brooks. </b> I don't like to pick Hall of Famers for comparisons because it isn't fair to the prospect, but when watching Jack, Brooks comes to mind. The reason for that is the "once in a decade" pass-coverage skills, the ability to run sideline-to-sideline, and the rare athleticism. Nobody can't expect Jack to be as good as Brooks, but I think that Jack will be a similar style linebacker in the NFL.
Quote:The former. Cutting Sergio should have zero impact on our draft plans.
Gipson, Sample, Cyp.... He wasn't going to play.
Another post which completely grasps the whole long-term prognosis thing. Well done, OP.
Quote:Okay, maybe I don't know what you know about Bosa & that would change my mind on everything.. please give me the reasons why you doubt Joey Bosa will be good? Is it because he didn't realize that Jacksonville was on the water..
because I have to be honest that did change my opinion of him a lot...
If you went solely on the character interviews, I honestly was most impressed with Vernon Hargreaves III he seemed intelligent, confident, and not scripted. I was the most worried with Buckner's interview as he seemed like he had memorized what to say and then forgot, and seemed very nervous now that could just be his lack of exposure in front of a camera / social skills or it could mean something more..
Like I said. I have no rational reason for it. I didn't watch his interview and barely watched him play. Just my gut says stay away.
Quote:Another post which completely grasps the whole long-term prognosis thing. Well done, OP.
Thanks. I try my best.
5 months ago, if there is speculation about a top prospect who missed time in the previous season had injury concerns, it would not be surprising in the least. Especially considering that 25 to 32 teams want this top prospect to fall to their draft slot.
Weeks before the draft, the same speculation without actual proof, the reaction is panic.
Classic.
I'm pretty high on Jack, I think he'd be a good addition for any NFL defense today. He could be great in the right role and system.
there's an article on CBS Sports.com about Myles Jack and the false rumors being spread about his "knee issues"... about 3/4 way down the page there's a Twitter video feed of him working out for the JAGS after an intense workout (this happened I believe I read it was this past Saturday)...
and even if he wasn't running / jumping yet.. there's still time for him to get better / healed up more...