Quote:We already went from sergio to gipson, alualu to malik, clemons to fowler, Gratz to amukamara. This defense still needs better depth and some more talent, but there's no reason this defense should be as poor next year as this year's defense.
agreed - but I found myself saying that same exact thing last offseason.
we went from Red Bryant to Odrick
Dekoda Watson/JT Thomas to Skuta (a "real" otto)
Alan Ball to Davon House
Josh Evans to Sergio Brown
all those guys were presented to us as "upgrades"... our defense got even worse
Quote:agreed - but I found myself saying that same exact thing last offseason.
we went from Red Bryant to Odrick
Dekoda Watson/JT Thomas to Skuta (a "real" otto)
Alan Ball to Davon House
Josh Evans to Sergio Brown
all those guys were presented to us as "upgrades"... our defense got even worse
I get your point but none of those things helped our pass rush. We lost Marks and Clemons got old. Our #1 pick which was supposed to be our best pass rusher got hurt. No pass rush is going to kill your defense.
If we picked Tunsil, trade back in to the 1st and draft Noah Spence.
Quote:I get your point but none of those things helped our pass rush. We lost Marks and Clemons got old. Our #1 pick which was supposed to be our best pass rusher got hurt. No pass rush is going to kill your defense.
oh I understand - my point is that thinking that "oh look, we got 4-5 new players on defense, that MUST mean they get better" is not necessarily true.
nobody thought our pass rush would be THAT bad... I guess we all hoped Clemons had at least something left in the tank, but he didn't.
Fowler needs to step in and do well.. and we need at least another guy who can at least give us something from that position, if we want to be improved on defense in 2016.
Quote:oh I understand - my point is that thinking that "oh look, we got 4-5 new players on defense, that MUST mean they get better" is not necessarily true.
nobody thought our pass rush would be THAT bad... I guess we all hoped Clemons had at least something left in the tank, but he didn't.
Fowler needs to step in and do well.. and we need at least another guy who can at least give us something from that position, if we want to be improved on defense in 2016.
Ideally, yes we definitely need another pass rusher. In a perfect world Bosa falls to us and he's a 10 sack a year guy that pressures other offenses. I don't see it from him or Buckner though so Jack is who I'm hoping for if his medical is good.
Quote:agreed - but I found myself saying that same exact thing last offseason.
we went from Red Bryant to Odrick
Dekoda Watson/JT Thomas to Skuta (a "real" otto)
Alan Ball to Davon House
Josh Evans to Sergio Brown
all those guys were presented to us as "upgrades"... our defense got even worse
To be fair here, Gipson and Malik play vital positions and were among the best available in FA. Feel guys like that will likely bring a bigger impact than guys like sergio brown and Dan Skuta lol. I like Skuta but he's more of an ideal rotational piece.
Quote:And you think a rookie DE is going to turn a 5 win team into a playoff team?
He would certainly help. Tunsil might not and probably wouldn't even start on this team. You don't rotate OLine in and out like you do DLine. Bosa would be an upgrade. As would Jack and Ramsey.
Caldwell knows what's up. It's why he went to UCLA to check out Jack.
Fowler might be a rookie DE, but don't sleep on him. He's a freak athlete. Don't let the ACL injury scare you so much, guys come back from that injury fine now. I think just having his speed and athleticism on the field alone will make a huge impact. People seem to think just because we didn't sign an edge rusher that this defense didn't get any better, and that just simply isn't true.
Quote:Fowler might be a rookie DE, but don't sleep on him. He's a freak athlete.
Still can't believe how prevalent this misconception is...
Quote:He would certainly help. Tunsil might not and probably wouldn't even start on this team. You don't rotate OLine in and out like you do DLine. Bosa would be an upgrade. As would Jack and Ramsey.
Caldwell knows what's up. It's why he went to UCLA to check out Jack.
I'm fine with Jack being the pick. My Tunsil thought was if Jack and Ramsey were off the board and it was between Bosa and Tunsil.
Quote:I'm fine with Jack being the pick. My Tunsil thought was if Jack and Ramsey were off the board and it was between Bosa and Tunsil.
And it should be Bosa. The dude is an animal. He is McShays #1 player. Tunsil has never played a full season and we just have Beachum a contract. I can live with Beachum or Luke... I can't live with that pass rush again.
Quote:And it should be Bosa. The dude is an animal. He is McShays #1 player. Tunsil has never played a full season and we just have Beachum a contract. I can live with Beachum or Luke... I can't live with that pass rush again.
Malik, fowler, and marks will help with that. Definitely need more but let's not act like we have the same pass rush as last year right now.
Quote:Malik, fowler, and marks will help with that. Definitely need more but let's not act like we have the same pass rush as last year right now.
This is true, but it is also true that Beachum and Linder would bolster the oline a whole lot without drafting one early as well.
I am not a fan of drafting a tackle top 5.
No thanks to Tunsil.
Quote:This is true, but it is also true that Beachum and Linder would bolster the oline a whole lot without drafting one early as well.
If beachum comes back to his previous form before injury yes. From C to LT last year it wasn't pretty. Linder or Cann will solidify one of them. I'm not as low on Joeckel as most but he definitely is gone after this year I bet and really is very much average at LT.
I think most people would prefer to go defense, but if all our top options are gone then Dave could very well play it safe and go Tunsil versus taking a guy who I like in Lawson, but who may be a bit of a reach at 5. I'd be fine with Lawson at 5 if our top guys like Jack and Ramsey are gone, but I wouldn't be totally against going Tunsil there who is a top 3 prospect in this draft.
I'm more so just setting myself up so I won't be disappointed here, because it is a legit possibility with more rumors swirling thst SD wants Ramsey more than Tunsil. Wish more people would realize this.
Quote:If beachum comes back to his previous form before injury yes. From C to LT last year it wasn't pretty. Linder or Cann will solidify one of them. I'm not as low on Joeckel as most but he definitely is gone after this year I bet and really is very much average at LT.
I think most people would prefer to go defense, but if all our top options are gone then Dave could very well play it safe and go Tunsil versus taking a guy who I like in Lawson, but who may be a bit of a reach at 5. I'd be fine with Lawson at 5 if our top guys like Jack and Ramsey are gone, but I wouldn't be totally against going Tunsil there who is a top 3 prospect in this draft.
I'm more so just setting myself up so I won't be disappointed here, because it is a legit possibility with more rumors swirling thst SD wants Ramsey more than Tunsil. Wish more people would realize this.
if SD does go Ramsey we are in good shape, that leaves us with Jack or the top prospect on a lot of boards Bosa
Quote:I'm more so just setting myself up so I won't be disappointed here, because it is a legit possibility with more rumors swirling thst SD wants Ramsey more than Tunsil. Wish more people would realize this.
Oh I've been trying to explain the same for a while too. The Chargers are much more scary replacing a pathetic Flowers or barely hanging on Lowery than going from a solid Dunlap to Tunsil. I won't be surprised at all if they agree.
I am however pretty convinced QBs to 1-2 whether the Browns take one themselves or trade down, so I am confident we'll still get one of the big 3 defenders even if SD does go Ramsey.
Dave might pick somebody none of the draft nicks have on their top 5. Remember a couple of years ago he drafted Blake Bortles at 3? Most draft guru's had Bridgewater far ahead of Bortles.
Quote:if SD does go Ramsey we are in good shape, that leaves us with Jack or the top prospect on a lot of boards Bosa
Browns aren't a sure thing to go QB. Dallas is a big question mark too. Kind of hard to know for sure one of those two will be there right now.
2-4 could go a lot of different ways. Could be three defenders, could be a QB, LT, and Ramsey, etc. Could be QB, Ramsey, Bosa/Elliot/Buckner/Jack. Any one of those three scenerios. Dallas has had a ton of different rumors. Some have said they like Bosa a lot. Some say they love Elliot (think this is the biggest long shot though), there was a report Dallas had double dipped on working out and talking to Buckner so could be serious interest there, Jack is one of the elite defenders in this class so that's always possible. Hell, there's even been talk about them taking a QB.
I know most of us think Bosa is in that top 3 defenders list, but he's the one top defender I'm not sure that's a lock to be drafted by us if he's there. Definitely feel like if Jack or Ramsey are there we are in good shape and have major interest. Just don't have that same feeling about Bosa. Not sure why.
Who do you believe in more? Joeckel or Fowler? I'll take Tunsil over Bosa, not just cause I have no faith in Joeckel but also Tunsil is a stronger prospect than Bosa. If Jack or Ramsey are on the board, it's an easy decision. I'll take Tunsil over Bosa, OL specifically LT is the weakest part of our offense