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Jack fits any defense because he can play any LB spot and possibly play SS. I think we will fit perfect at SAM/OTTO and eventually he will replace Poz next year or whenever. 

It's kinda funny watching some of you claim a guy can rush the passer when he's never shown any sort of aptitude for it before.

Quote:Jack fits any defense because he can play any LB spot and possibly play SS. I think we will fit perfect at SAM/OTTO and eventually he will replace Poz next year or whenever.

I agree with this. While he may not be the ideal OTTO, eventually he would be moved to MLB to replace Poz, and that could happen as soon as next off season. Playing OTTO/S/hybrid will be only to get him on the field for his rookie year.

He is the most versatile player in the draft

If you were going to draw up the ideal MLB, in this day and age of NFL football, Jack would be exactly who you draw up.

 

He has the size, the athletic ability and all of the talent in the world. He isn't afraid of contact, he can hit, he can run sideline to sideline all day long and he excels in coverage.

 

Having Poz on this team isn't going to stop us from taking Jack, is he's there.

If I was drawing up the ideal MLB, it'd be Patrick Willis. :/

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I think he fits because he is fast, explosive, smart, confident, and good at football. Not to mention probably the third best football player in the draft.

He is a faster version of Ray Lewis in my opinion.

Sure thing, Prisco. :turned:

Quote:It's kinda funny watching some of you claim a guy can rush the passer when he's never shown any sort of aptitude for it before.

 

You're telling me a guy who was Pac-12 Freshman of the Year at RUNNING BACK (as well as linebacker) can't rush the passer?   A guy who can avoid tacklers cannot avoid blockers?   That makes no logical sense at all.  Don't you think it would be about 10 times easier to avoid an offensive tackle who is trying to block than it is to avoid a linebacker who is trying to tackle you?  

Quote:It's kinda funny watching some of you claim a guy can rush the passer when he's never shown any sort of aptitude for it before.

I think it is important to draw a distinction between rushing the passer in a manner akin to a DE vs a LB executing a blitz on a passing play.

 

While both players need explosiveness, a LB-especially a mike-typically doesn't need the array of pass rushing moves and techniques as a DE to effectively execute a blitz.  Now a 3-4 OLB in a blitz heavy scheme essentially functions as an edge rusher, and they need those moves and techniques.  But typically not a mike in a 4-3 or ILBs in a 3-4.

 

If the question is does Jack have the array of pass rushing moves a traditional DE has to be a good pass rusher?  I would say the answer is no.

 

If, however, the question is can Jack be an effective blitzer, then the answer is yes.

Quote:He is a faster version of Ray Lewis in my opinion.

Per SB Nation, draft him Caldwell. Dynnnnasssssttttyyyyyy

Quote:You're telling me a guy who was Pac-12 Freshman of the Year at RUNNING BACK (as well as linebacker) can't rush the passer?   A guy who can avoid tacklers cannot avoid blockers?   That makes no logical sense at all.  Don't you think it would be about 10 times easier to avoid an offensive tackle who is trying to block than it is to avoid a linebacker who is trying to tackle you?  

 

Then why are his pressure stats so weak? It's not even a question of his dropping into coverage. If he's good at rushing the passer, then it would show regardless of how many times he did it. And guess what? He never showed it. :no:

 

Quote:I think it is important to draw a distinction between rushing the passer in a manner akin to a DE vs a LB executing a blitz on a passing play.

 

While both players need explosiveness, a LB-especially a mike-typically doesn't need the array of pass rushing moves and techniques as a DE to effectively execute a blitz.  Now a 3-4 OLB in a blitz heavy scheme essentially functions as an edge rusher, and they need those moves and techniques.  But typically not a mike in a 4-3 or ILBs in a 3-4.

 

If the question is does Jack have the array of pass rushing moves a traditional DE has to be a good pass rusher?  I would say the answer is no.

 

If, however, the question is can Jack be an effective blitzer, then the answer is yes.

 

... Except I never compared him to a DE. As a blitzer, he looks subpar. The tape and his stats back that up.

Caldwell, we need to move up to the top 3, Saints, Dolphins worked him out and they could be trading way up, then you got the Cowboys. Trade up, dooooo it, dooooo it nooooowwwww.

Quote:Then why are his pressure stats so weak? It's not even a question of his dropping into coverage. If he's good at rushing the passer, then it would show regardless of how many times he did it. And guess what? He never showed it. :no:

 

 

... Except I never compared him to a DE. As a blitzer, he looks subpar. The tape and his stats back that up.

I'm not saying you compared him to a DE.

 

In fact that's the point.  You DIDN'T draw the distinction between a LB/DB blitzing and a DE rushing the passer.

 

That's what prompted my response.

 

You have since clarified that you don't think he's a particularly good blitzer, but using the term "pass rusher" generically (you weren't the only one in this thread, FWIW) for players playing positions with at least two different and distinct skill sets doesn't adequately describe Jack, whether you like him as a prospect or not.

 

Penalizing a MLB or SS for not having a good rip move or bull rush is patently unfair.

Pretty sure blitzing falls under "rushing the passer," which is what I actually said, not "pass-rusher." :/

Quote:He is a faster version of Ray Lewis in my opinion.

 

Sooo tell me when you saw Ray Lewis drop deep and cover a slot guy and do it well? Ray Lewis made plays? Yes but he was still a stiff thumper in the middle. Jack looks like a Corner at times with his loose hips and good feet.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...-help-the/

 

That is pretty much what PFF had said in this article... i dont know so many great guys around 5 of them that might be there at pick 5 that are hard to chose from..

I think GM Dave Caldwell would take Jalen Ramsey over Jack if they were both there because of his comments about how hard it is to find a ball hawk FS in this league that fits their defensive scheme (Despite having signed Gibson), because they can put Ramsey at corner.. plus he met with Ramsey before jack by 3 days...

Quote:Pretty sure blitzing falls under "rushing the passer," which is what I actually said, not "pass-rusher." :/

If you don't think a DE with his hand on the ground rushing the passer uses different skill sets than a MLB coming in on a blitz, there's nothing left for us to discuss.