Quote:But where are all his force players for the previous classes before they were drafted?? It seems like he's awarding them as force players after they've played a few years in the league.
For the guys prior to the last couple drafts he is back logging them, he's only been doing FP for a few years. He's using the older players combine/pro day numbers to calculating them the exact same as if they had done them today, though.
He's not just cherry picking the successful players and claiming they are force players to bolster his formula.
Quote:For the guys prior to the last couple drafts he is back logging them, he's only been doing FP for a few years. He's using the older players combine/pro day numbers to calculating them the exact same as if they had done them today, though.
He's not just cherry picking the successful players and claiming they are force players to bolster his formula.
That's exactly what he's doing. He doesn't reveal his formula ,so nobody knows what he uses to define a "force player". How can you not see the flaw in the fact that he picks players as force players after they have played in the league a few years? Of course he throws in a few busts as force players so it doesn't look stupid.
Anyone could pick JJ Watt,Von Miller,Clay Matthews,Demarcus Ware,Mario Williams,Ryan Kerrigan etc etc as force players after watching them play for a few years.
Quote:I find the following website useful to look at game tape for each player because it shows every snap instead of highlights.
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/dante-fowler-jr/
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/joey-bosa/
http://draftbreakdown.com/players/myles-jack/
Thanks for the links. Haven't watched Jack yet, but glad I watched the Bosa and Fowler ones. After watching what I did, I am happier we got Fowler, and even more hesitant about Bosa. I loved Fowler's motor, and it looked to me like much of Bosa's results came from plays by 92, 59 or 77. He often seemed to be the second guy there. The only down thing about the Florida stuff was it seemed they ran a bunch of stunts, hoping Jaguars can get success with Fowler from more of a base 4-3.
Quote:That's exactly what he's doing. He doesn't reveal his formula ,so nobody knows what he uses to define a "force player". How can you not see the flaw in the fact that he picks players as force players after they have played in the league a few years? Of course he throws in a few busts as force players so it doesn't look stupid.
Anyone could pick JJ Watt,Von Miller,Clay Matthews,Demarcus Ware,Mario Williams,Ryan Kerrigan etc etc as force players after watching them play for a few years.
Believe whatever you want, but he's definitely not.
Quote:1. He has the force players for 2016 listed at the top of the page. Shaq Lawson is the only one this year, it's a down year for dline athleticism.
2. It's like why KFC or coca cola have their secret ingredients. FP is Justis' secret sauce. He does share it to NFL teams, also. He said he gave it to Tony Khan at the senior bowl this year.
Looks like the formula is
here
Quote:Looks like the formula is here
Bwahahaha. The secret formula is mine! :devil:
Watching Bosa on draftbreakdown.... [BLEEP] do scouts see in this guy? He kinda sucks. Always out of position, late to the ball and if his bull rush fails he's done. No thanks to Bosa. He's Chris Long.
Quote:Looks like the formula is here
Yeah it was public before he made his own site and changed it to the forceplayer moniker. He's tweaked it some since then (especially since he expanded to interior dline and oline), but I'm sure it's pretty similar.
Quote:Yeah it was public before he made his own site and changed it to the forceplayer moniker. He's tweaked it some since then (especially since he expanded to interior dline and oline), but I'm sure it's pretty similar.
Ahh, the article was a bit vague. I thought it was referring to the tweaked formula, but the one listed is just Waldo's.
As far as SPARQ and force players go I do know that Pete Carroll and their GM use the metrics heavily in their scouting. It's why they seem to make those off the wall picks at the time like Bruce Irvin and Frank Clark.
Quote:As far as SPARQ and force players go I do know that Pete Carroll and their GM use the metrics heavily in their scouting. It's why they seem to make those off the wall picks at the time like Bruce Irvin and Frank Clark.
Frank Clark really wasn't an off the wall pick. A lot of teams just had him off their boards because of his domestic violence arrest in college.
Quote:It's better than a 40 yard dash of course, but it's still less important than the 3 cone, broad, vertical, and shuttles. It's on the lesser end with bench press.
And to answer whoever it was asking about where to get these percentiles, pSPARQ, and zscores it's on Zach Whitman's 3 sigma site.
Whitman isn't half the analyst that a 6 Sigma is.
Who cares, they both have extremely high ceilings. I'd love to have both and kill Luck.
How would anyone actually know the answer to this? Come back after the season is over.
Quote:It's better than a 40 yard dash of course, but it's still less important than the 3 cone, broad, vertical, and shuttles. It's on the lesser end with bench press.
And to answer whoever it was asking about where to get these percentiles, pSPARQ, and zscores it's on Zach Whitman's 3 sigma site.
Why do you feel this way, the 10 yard dash is the closest thing to a pass rusher coming off the edge. Which To me Bosa's slow 10 yard split is indicative of his tape where he doesn't show a burst to beat a tackle with speed or bend the edge. Not a huge fan of Bosa after watching all his tape, he's not bad but I don't know if he's worthy of the 5th pick. Not to mention he seems like a total stoner..lol
What if the GM Dave Caldwell drafted LT Laremy Tunsil, Ole Miss 5th overall, and drafted Center Ryan Kelly, using all the remaining picks in the draft for defense & claiming that is what he had meant with focusing on Defense in the draft while filling huge needs on Offensive Line for Blake Bortles?
Would the fan base be glad or mad?
Quote:What if the GM Dave Caldwell drafted LT Laremy Tunsil, Ole Miss 5th overall, and drafted Center Ryan Kelly, using all the remaining picks in the draft for defense & claiming that is what he had meant with focusing on Defense in the draft while filling huge needs on Offensive Line for Blake Bortles?
Would the fan base be glad or mad?
Wouldn't be mad about it.
An OLine of Tunsil Cann Kelly Linder Parnell is serious business.
Quote:Wouldn't be mad about it.
An OLine of Tunsil Cann Kelly Linder Parnell is serious business.
I feel like you get to a point of diminishing returns.
I mean, what if our offense improves by 3 points per game, but the defense does not improve. I don't have the games in front of me, but I doubt we would have won many more games.
Quote:Why do you feel this way, the 10 yard dash is the closest thing to a pass rusher coming off the edge. Which To me Bosa's slow 10 yard split is indicative of his tape where he doesn't show a burst to beat a tackle with speed or bend the edge. Not a huge fan of Bosa after watching all his tape, he's not bad but I don't know if he's worthy of the 5th pick. Not to mention he seems like a total stoner..lol
It's just what these corollary studies are showing recently. 40 yard is completely useless, 10 yard split and bench press are of lesser importance, and 3 cone is the king for EDGE rushers. The jumps and SS are also good indicators.
I can't find any of the articles at the moment, it's been a couple months since I read the last one, so don't believe me if want (I've noticed that it doesn't matter how much evidence you have around here people are going to believe you or not regardless so I don't really care anymore), but it's true and I expect it to become even more true as time goes by.
Quote:I feel like you get to a point of diminishing returns.
I mean, what if our offense improves by 3 points per game, but the defense does not improve. I don't have the games in front of me, but I doubt we would have won many more games.
Yeah that's not my number one option, but it's intriguing. I'm all about drafting defense this draft, with an OLineman in the mid rounds.
If Tunsil is that much of a stud and he falls to us with Jack, Ramsey, and Bosa all being taken, I'd think we'd have a pretty good chance at trading back. Giants and 49ers both could use him and there's no way the guy would fall past Baltimore. Or we get lucky and get a team like Miami to give us a huge payday. I'll trade back to 13 all day with a bunch more picks, take someone like Noah Spence or Ragland.