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He is def a high risk and Dave and Gus's jobs could be on the line this year so I doubt they would even think about drafting him

I think the 4th round is the highest you can pick him. And that's assuming that someone else doesn't drop to that pick that is high on your board and can obviously contribute immediately

Quote:4th round, 5th round...at that point it's really semantics. I think the point is moreso that no one has any clue how nerve recoveries will go, The only constant is that they take a long, long time to heal (more of a year to year timeframe than month to month) and you don't know how well they will recover until the very end of that process.

 

It's extremely unlikely that in the one month since the combine that any teams will have gone from comparing him to Lattimore to being comfortable taking a late 1st flier, as has been suggested. 

 

Yeah, that was just where I would take him if I was a GM.

Quote:Yeah, that was just where I would take him if I was a GM.

Right, I was agreeing with you. Dave has proven enough with his 3rd rounders (Linder, Cann, and using one to trade up to get Arob) that I'm not taking that risk before day 3 either. 

Quote:How exactly is he low risk? The dude may never play football again. I'd say that's high risk.

Where has it been stated he may never play football again? There's speculation over him having nerve damage in his knee. He and his guys claim he's leg pressing over 600lbs and squatting over 400lbs. I'm inclined to believe there isn't any sort of permanent damage.

 

Jaylon Smith is a smart, talented LB, who some people believed to be even better than Myles Jack. At worst, he's potentially a decent depth player, at best he's as advertised.

 

Would I lose sleep over a 3rd-4th rounder if he doesn't pan out? Absolutely not.

Would I lose sleep if he's taken in those rounds by someone else and does pan out? Nope, but I'd develop PTSD.

Quote:Where has it been stated he may never play football again? There's speculation over him having nerve damage in his knee. He and his guys claim he's leg pressing over 600lbs and squatting over 400lbs. I'm inclined to believe there isn't any sort of permanent damage.

While the weight lifting is certainly not a bad sign, Lattimore was doing that stuff with the Niners just fine too. Nerve firings to tell your muscles to do a slow, controlled, linear lift is way different than nerve firings telling muscles to do everything they have to do in fractions of seconds in every direction on a football field surrounded by other world class athletes. If the communication/delay between nerve firings/muscle responses is even a little bit off from 100% you're just not going to be able to perform at an NFL level. 

 

To bring up another Lattimore example, the Niners website on October 24th 2014 says he's "While he's getting back to his 100% self, Lattimore looks like his old self. Sprinting, jogging, doing the cuts that he has to do to get back on the field. No matter what happens the rest of this year, Lattimore is a great add for the future and should be a great back for the 49ers." That's an encouraging quote! Unfortunately, literally two weeks later on November 5th he announced his retirement. 

Quote:While the weight lifting is certainly not a bad sign, Lattimore was doing that stuff with the Niners just fine too. Nerve firings to tell your muscles to do a slow, controlled, linear lift is way different than nerve firings telling muscles to do everything they have to do in fractions of seconds in every direction on a football field surrounded by other world class athletes. If the communication/delay between nerve firings/muscle responses is even a little bit off from 100% you're just not going to be able to perform at an NFL level. 

 

To bring up another Lattimore example, the Niners website on October 24th 2014 says he's "While he's getting back to his 100% self, Lattimore looks like his old self. Sprinting, jogging, doing the cuts that he has to do to get back on the field. No matter what happens the rest of this year, Lattimore is a great add for the future and should be a great back for the 49ers." That's an encouraging quote! Unfortunately, literally two weeks later on November 5th he announced his retirement. 

To be fair, Marcus Lattimore's leg was practically hanging from his body at the knee. He tore every single ligament you could possibly tear at the knee. That isn't really the case with Jaylon Smith, who tore his ACL and LCL

 

But I do see where you're coming from, and that's a valuable tidbit of information about what he might feel on a quick twitch.

Quote:While the weight lifting is certainly not a bad sign, Lattimore was doing that stuff with the Niners just fine too. Nerve firings to tell your muscles to do a slow, controlled, linear lift is way different than nerve firings telling muscles to do everything they have to do in fractions of seconds in every direction on a football field surrounded by other world class athletes. If the communication/delay between nerve firings/muscle responses is even a little bit off from 100% you're just not going to be able to perform at an NFL level.


To bring up another Lattimore example, the Niners website on October 24th 2014 says he's "While he's getting back to his 100% self, Lattimore looks like his old self. Sprinting, jogging, doing the cuts that he has to do to get back on the field. No matter what happens the rest of this year, Lattimore is a great add for the future and should be a great back for the 49ers." That's an encouraging quote! Unfortunately, literally two weeks later on November 5th he announced his retirement.

Bingo.

The Browns waiving Ifo ekpre olomo the Oregon CB is another example of why its so risky to draft player after those kinds of injuries.

It's not gonna help people understand the incredibly tough nuances of the Jaylon Smith situation when Oehser is saying he would take Jaylon Smith with our 2nd rounder (and that it would be a no brainer to take him in the 3rd) today in the ozone...

Okay nvm im off the jaylon wagon

Quote:The Browns waiving Ifo ekpre olomo the Oregon CB is another example of why its so risky to draft player after those kinds of injuries.

he costed a looooooooowwwww 7th, thats basically zero risk.

Quote:he costed a looooooooowwwww 7th, thats basically zero risk.

True! Apparently he's healthy but they still cut him.

2nd/3rd fine with it. The thing is he will not be there in the 4th. And may not be there for 3rd round.


He is too good for someone not to take a flier on him.

If he is there in the 3rd I would really think about it. He is very talented and he seems to be on the right path to recovery. I think he goes mid 2nd round. He can sit this whole year and recover and eventually replace Poz if his knee can fully heal in 16 months from now. If we were to draft Jack our linebackers in 2017 would Be Telvin, Jaylon, Myles. That would be one of the top LB group in the NFL. 

I didn't get O-zone's second round comment either. With a 2nd and 3rd rounder we can get 2 guys ready to contribute and grow with the team instead of hoping Jaylon Smith recovers in a year or two.

 

Remember the guy the Jags drafted many years ago, I think his name was Brian Smith from Mizzou...whatever...the guy was a 4th rounder IIRC and was coming off hip surgery and never saw the field. Never.

 

Draft healthy guys. The bigger and faster, the better.

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Draft healthy guys. The bigger and faster, the better.

 

Can't agree more.