Quote:In the last 10 years Aaron Curry is the only linebacker selected in the top five who didn't have pass rush as his main specialty. Von Miller went second overall and he is more of a "rush backer". So, Jack, despite recovering from a knee injury, having yet to clock elite athleticism, and pass rushing never being featured as his game is supposed to go top 5.
Linebackers, whether they're 4-3 or 3-4, generally don't go in the top five.
Von Miller and Khalil Mack are the only pass rushing linebackers drafted in the top five over the last ten drafts. I guess you could technically include Fowler and Dion Jordan, though they were really drafted as 4-3 DEs. AJ Hawk also went 10 drafts ago, but I'm guessing you looked by years.
Every draft is different. Kuechly was drafted 9th overall and would go higher in this draft. Their aren't as many top end can't miss prospects in this draft so I don't see an issue grabbing Jack if he's far and away the best player
Teams in the top 5 regret not taking Kuechly, Urlacher and Patrick Willis. Who were all 3 taken in the top 10
Quote:we all know he has elite athleticism we dont need him to run in a straight line to prove it
It's not just the 40, it's the agility drills and the other drills that measure explosion, but most importantly the fact his primary skillet is not rushing the passer.
Quote:Teams in the top 5 regret not taking Kuechly, Urlacher and Patrick Willis. Who were all 3 taken in the top 10
Agreed, they probably do regret it. It doesn't change the fact if they are in the top 5,they are going to take rare athletes at premium positions. Think about who Caldwell has drafted thus far.
If there isn't a rare athlete at a premium position though what do you do? Tame an okay player at a premium position or rare athlete at a non premium position? I'd rather do the latter personally.
Quote:Agreed, they probably do regret it. It doesn't change the fact if they are in the top 5,they are going to take rare athletes at premium positions. Think about who Caldwell has drafted thus far.
Agreed, what rare athletes are there at premium positions in this draft?
Quote:Agreed, what rare athletes are there at premium positions in this draft?
That's the scary part, if it's not you get a Derrick Harvey situation where they try to force a player at a premium position.
Quote:It's not just the 40, it's the agility drills and the other drills that measure explosion, but most importantly the fact his primary skillet is not rushing the passer.
He broad jumped 10'4 and vert jumped 40'', coming off a knee injury. Those numbers alone tell you he's most likely running somewhere around 4.5 and that's while coming off a knee injury. I have zero doubt that he's a consistent sub 4.5 LB at 240++ lbs.
If you have ever watched him play, you really shouldn't question his explosiveness. He is an elite athlete, in every sense of the meaning. He is not Aaron Curry, flat out.
He can run, cover and hit. He's the total package as far as all that goes. If there's a single gripe you might have about Myles Jack, it should be whether he can be the captain of a Defense or not. From everything I've seen/read, people describe him as the ultimate alpha dog in the locker room. The question is, what is his football intelligence like? Can he call out the Defense and be the captain? I believe he can, but only time will tell.
Quote:He broad jumped 10'4 and vert jumped 40'', coming off a knee injury. Those numbers alone tell you he's most likely running somewhere around 4.5 and that's while coming off a knee injury. I have zero doubt that he's a consistent sub 4.5 LB at 240++ lbs.
If you have ever watched him play, you really shouldn't question his explosiveness. He is an elite athlete, in every sense of the meaning. He is not Aaron Curry, flat out.
He can run, cover and hit. He's the total package as far as all that goes. If there's a single gripe you might have about Myles Jack, it should be whether he can be the captain of a Defense or not. From everything I've seen/read, people describe him as the ultimate alpha dog in the locker room. The question is, what is his football intelligence like? Can he call out the Defense and be the captain? I believe he can, but only time will tell.
Thanks for these numbers. I don't have a gripe with him and from the highlights he seems like he could be good. I just don't think a LB whose primary skill set is not rushing the passer will go in the top 5.
If you check his twitter out there are some small clips of him doing LB drills and seems pretty good to me. I just hope it's not a long term problem.
Quote:Thanks for these numbers. I don't have a gripe with him and from the highlights he seems like he could be good. I just don't think a LB whose primary skill set is not rushing the passer will go in the top 5.
That may not be his primary skill set, but he definitely has some pass rush ability. A guy with his pure all around ability, you can easily scheme up some blitz/rushes for him. Why the heck not?
I think he could play anywhere in the back 7 honestly. Either S spot, CB, all 3 LB positions of course and RB as well, if it ever got that terrible at the position.
Jack in the middle, with Telvin on his side, they'd be flying all over the field.
Quote:I'm with you.
Maybe there is no long-term problem and he's just being careful, but this repeated changing of the plan should raise questions.
Even the die-hard Jack fans need to ask why he's had to change the plan repeatedly. The obvious answer has to be that he expected his recovery to be progressing more quickly. And that begs the question - why?
I dont understand why someone still on recovery from such a serious knee injury would even be considered for the Top 5. It really kind of confuses me on how they make the top 10 list for many sports sites.
I mean he must be considered a future HOF to be considered that high, but I just dont get it.
I might be really wrong here and find out that I'll eat my words, but you usually dont draft a guy in the top 5 that might not start on week 1.....
If Bosa, Buckner is there you would assume they go over Myles Jack.
Quote:I dont understand why someone still on recovery from such a serious knee injury would even be considered for the Top 5. It really kind of confuses me on how they make the top 10 list for many sports sites.
I mean he must be considered a future HOF to be considered that high, but I just dont get it.
I might be really wrong here and find out that I'll eat my words, but you usually dont draft a guy in the top 5 that might not start on week 1.....
If Bosa, Buckner is there you would assume they go over Myles Jack.
You're thinking of the wrong top LB, as far as knee injuries go. Unlike Jaylon Smith, Myles Jack will be full go come camp time, with out a doubt.
Quote:That may not be his primary skill set, but he definitely has some pass rush ability. A guy with his pure all around ability, you can easily scheme up some blitz/rushes for him. Why the heck not?
I think he could play anywhere in the back 7 honestly. Either S spot, CB, all 3 LB positions of course and RB as well, if it ever got that terrible at the position.
Jack in the middle, with Telvin on his side, they'd be flying all over the field.
Besides primarily being a pass rusher, you would be ignoring Caldwell's drafting history. It will be a premium position.