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As a landlord myself, I couldn't care less what your political affiliation is as long as you have a decent credit score, no prior evictions, and pay rent on time every month.

 

Our country is far more divided now than it ever was before Obama became president.  I thought he was going to have a very open administration and bring us all together.. he has failed at both.

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Our country is far more divided now than it ever was before Obama became president. I thought he was going to have a very open administration and bring us all together.. he has failed at both.

When it is all said and done, He is clearly in the conversation with Carter for worst POTUS in U.S. history.


Even more scary he may be unseated in only 4 years time.

Quote:Is it up to the state to prevent abuse? Is that the purpose of the state?


In that case you can't object to any restrictions of freedom as a case go prevent abuse can always be made.


The state was never intended to prevent abuse. The best we can hope for is that the state does not become the ultimate abuser since it has a natural monopoly on force.

 

Yes, I can object to other restrictions of freedom.  This is why I'm not a pure libertarian.  I believe in laws that prevent immoral acts, racial discrimination being one of them.  You can't just always defer to your free market philosophy as the cure all.  It might work in theory, it doesn't in practice which is why the laws were needed in the first place.

Quote:^Good post. This is very true.

I'm all FOR property rights, even if the owners do something I may not agree with. It's his property, and his right to do so.

This. All day long. 

 

Quote:Here's the difference, Trump voters will just go stay somewhere else.  Had this been "Democrats cant stay here", they would organize some kind of protest and likely get violent outside in front of the building.  Maybe they would press charges for violating civil rights.  They want to force you into submission, because they are totalitarians.

Sadly I believe you are right. The mindset of liberals and conservatives is definitely like night and day. I think people confuse their actual rights with what they perceive to be their rights. I have a right to freedom of speech but I cannot yell "FIRE!" in the middle of an establishment without getting into trouble, and for good reason. 

Quote:Without commenting on the validity or constitutionality of either, there is a difference between refusing to rent or lease based on race versus political affiliation.

This is true. But as someone else pointed out, if this had been done during Obama's campaign all hell would have broken loose. Tell me honestly- wouldn't you think so?

Quote:Here's the difference, Trump voters will just go stay somewhere else.  Had this been "Democrats cant stay here", they would organize some kind of protest and likely get violent outside in front of the building.  Maybe they would press charges for violating civil rights.  They want to force you into submission, because they are totalitarians.

 

Regarding the part in bold, you can't really lump a particular candidate's voters like that.

 

Actually, John Kasich had a very good response in a recent debate that was similar to this situation.  The question was something along the lines of a baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding.  His response was something to the affect "if they refuse to make a cake for you, don't protest and make trouble, just find another baker".

Quote:Yes, I can object to other restrictions of freedom. This is why I'm not a pure libertarian. I believe in laws that prevent immoral acts, racial discrimination being one of them. You can't just always defer to your free market philosophy as the cure all. It might work in theory, it doesn't in practice which is why the laws were needed in the first place.

You can't legislate morality, how long have we had discrimination laws? Is racism dead?


The only party that wins when you ask government to correct mans moral flaws is government

Quote:You can't legislate morality, how long have we had discrimination laws? Is racism dead?


The only party that wins when you ask government to correct mans moral flaws is government

Racism isn't dead, but it has come a long way. And many reasons why is laws.


So you believe people should have the right to murder.

Quote:Yes, I can object to other restrictions of freedom.  This is why I'm not a pure libertarian.  I believe in laws that prevent immoral acts, racial discrimination being one of them.  You can't just always defer to your free market philosophy as the cure all.  It might work in theory, it doesn't in practice which is why the laws were needed in the first place.

 

I have tons of police friends (former Navy Sailors, and people I went to high school with) but honestly I wouldn't be that upset if we did away with police all together.  I think too many laws, too many freedoms have slowly been taken away from Americans as the Federal Govt has continued to grow past what the people whom created the country had originally intended.

 

I agree that we all feel strong against people whom would hurt children, or commit murder, etc.  but do we really need local police to stop that?  We could simply go back to electing sheriffs whom make deputys to arrest the worst of the worst and do away with these vehicle police stops for speeding and stupid stuff.

Quote:I have tons of police friends (former Navy Sailors, and people I went to high school with) but honestly I wouldn't be that upset if we did away with police all together. I think too many laws, too many freedoms have slowly been taken away from Americans as the Federal Govt has continued to grow past what the people whom created the country had originally intended.


I agree that we all feel strong against people whom would hurt children, or commit murder, etc. but do we really need local police to stop that? We could simply go back to electing sheriffs whom make deputys to arrest the worst of the worst and do away with these vehicle police stops for speeding and stupid stuff.

I don't think the wild west way of life would work in modern times. However, ya obviously it's a two edged sword. More laws means more government oversight and it just keeps growing.

Quote:I don't think the wild west way of life would work in modern times. However, ya obviously it's a two edged sword. More laws means more government oversight and it just keeps growing.

Could you expand your thoughts on why not? I'm curious.

If we did away with police for a week this country would burn to the ground.

Quote:You can't legislate morality, how long have we had discrimination laws? Is racism dead?


The only party that wins when you ask government to correct mans moral flaws is government

 

Anti-discrimination laws do not correct man's flaws, they attempt to address the effect of those flaws.

Quote:Racism isn't dead, but it has come a long way. And many reasons why is laws.


So you believe people should have the right to murder.

Of course not the qualifier has always been you don't have the right to harm others rights in pursuit of your rights. Murder is harming someone else's property rights.

Quote:Anti-discrimination laws do not correct man's flaws, they attempt to address the effect of those flaws.

There's two different types of anti discrimination laws. One for public use and access I completley support, anything tax payer funded has to have 100% equal access for everyone. But private property there is no authority to force equal access nor should their be. All you edn up doing is selecting who's rights are more important that's a game we can never win.

Quote:There's two different types of anti discrimination laws. One for public use and access I completley support, anything tax payer funded has to have 100% equal access for everyone. But private property there is no authority to force equal access nor should their be. All you edn up doing is selecting who's rights are more important that's a game we can never win.

 

A business open to the public isn't really in the same category as PRIVATE property like the house you live in.

Quote:Of course not the qualifier has always been you don't have the right to harm others rights in pursuit of your rights. Murder is harming someone else's property rights.

 

Not "harming someone's property rights" in itself is a moral

Quote:You can't legislate morality, how long have we had discrimination laws? Is racism dead?


The only party that wins when you ask government to correct mans moral flaws is government

This

Quote:Anti-discrimination laws do not correct man's flaws, they attempt to address the effect of those flaws.

And this.

Not to sound over simplistic, but humans gonna be humans.  Man has and will always act (or not act) due to fear and greed, whether real or perceived.  No amount of legislation will eliminate man's true nature, only manage its socially unacceptable results.