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A lot of us have speculated that Buckner is not a fit for us at pick 5.   Reason being, he's yet another DT and we are overloaded at that position.   Hence the suggestion that we pass over the highly rated Buckner and take a lesser player that seems to fit our needs for an edge rusher, like Shaq Lawson.  

 

Here's an article on a NY Giants website that explores whether Buckner can play 4-3 DE for the Giants.   Expert opinions are split.  

 

http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/2/3/1090...t-analysis

 

My opinion is, at pick 5, we should take the best player who can get on the field.  That means, for example, not a QB, because we have one and 2nd QBs don't play unless the starter gets injured.   But D-linemen rotate in and out of the lineup.   Teams like to have 8 of them, bringing them in and out in waves.  

 

So if we have Buckner, Malik Jackson, and Sen'Derrick Marks, can we get all 3 on the field at the same time?   It seems like it to me.  

 

If Buckner is indeed scheme-versatile, meaning he can play multiple positions on the defensive line, that would bring him into play as our pick at 5.   Because one thing I do not want to do is pass over a better player to take a lesser player.  

 

Here's an evaluation from a Packer-oriented website:

 

http://alex.haascrea.com/blog/pac-12-def...st-buckner

 

"Summary: DeForest Buckner has the ability to be a star in the NFL.  Whether he's drafted as a 4-3 player with the ability to play inside or out, or bulk up to play defensive end in the 3-4, the athletic ability and motor of Buckner will impact any franchise from day one.  He is a coachable prospect that has improved with each year.  Dominating the opposing rushing attack for several years, Buckner showed that he is disruptive enough to rush the passer despite seeing numerous double-teams and playing primarily from the 5-technique.  Buckner has the intelligence, athletic ability, and work effort needed to become a perennial prow-bowler in the years to come."

If Ramsey, Bosa and Jack have all gone then he's worth considering.

 

You could probably argue that Ramsey is a bit of a project too and there seems to be no problem taking him in the top five.

Quote:So if we have Buckner, Malik Jackson, and Sen'Derrick Marks, can we get all 3 on the field at the same time?   It seems like it to me.  
Don't forget about Odrick, ya know that guy who is also really good and also plays the same position and happens to be the 2nd highest cap number on the team this year only after, oh yeah also same position, Malik Jackson.. 

 

As I said somewhere else when I believe it was you who tried to make the same point, there will most likely be someone else available who is on the same grade tier as Buckner when we go on the clock. Unless that person is an OT, they should be the pick instead. 

 

If Buckner truly is Dave's top grade available by an entire tier, again unlikely, then yeah you just bite the bullet and take him.
Buckner in Bradley's base scheme is limited to be a 3 or 5 technique; he's not a nose or a Leo.  For now, I am fine with Odrick and Jackson starting in those spots.  With the first pick, I don't see Buckner being the right fit from a needs perspective.   

No.
I don't think Buckner is anything special.
Im all for taking best available player. With that said Caldwell is a mixture of needs and BAP. He drafts needs at the top (round 1-2), mix of value and need in the middle (rounds 3 and possibly 4) and BAP in the later rounds (rounds 4-7). With this knowledge I am led to believe Caldwell will most likely look to go edge rusher in the first round and Buckner just doesn't fit that mold of a LEO. Whether we agree with his method or not he has shown this in the way he drafts (even stated this in an interview).


I would believe Bosa or Lawson is the pick at this point.
Buckner might not suit us, but he could help us out in a big way if the Chargers or Cowboys decide to draft him (allowing more useful prospects to fall to us). And the mock drafters seem to think that's a possibility, for whatever that's worth...
Buckner just doesn't impress me at all. I like his size, but I'm never wow'ed.. At least not yet..


I'd rather draft someone like Javon Hargrave later in the draft. I think he could be just as good.