Quote:I'm saying we dont know what will happen. Given how none of the other candidates have strong support from VOTERS, I'd say it's likely that he does win. That's jmo.
Is that a real question? Have you watched the debates?
And now that he's not doing a debate, nobody wants to watch it. Go figure.
I would think that any candidate that is confident would be more-than-willing to get on a debate stage on national television to make his/her case. Getting on a debate stage with only 2 opponents scares him. Clearly the last debate wasn't his best, and he's afraid that with fewer candidates on the stage he won't be able to hide.
He's hoping that his "Make America Great Again" (aka "hope and change") message will get him to the nomination. He's afraid because he can't use the "little marco" line anymore. He might actually have to get specific regarding policy and plans. He can't do that.
Instead, he is going around making speeches about how he is "winning" and how much "people love him" and how "we will be great again". He's supposedly going to "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it". Naive people actually buy that and lap it up. The reality is, it aint gonna happen.
Quote:I would think that any candidate that is confident would be more-than-willing to get on a debate stage on national television to make his/her case. Getting on a debate stage with only 2 opponents scares him. Clearly the last debate wasn't his best, and he's afraid that with fewer candidates on the stage he won't be able to hide.
He's hoping that his "Make America Great Again" (aka "hope and change") message will get him to the nomination. He's afraid because he can't use the "little marco" line anymore. He might actually have to get specific regarding policy and plans. He can't do that.
Instead, he is going around making speeches about how he is "winning" and how much "people love him" and how "we will be great again". He's supposedly going to "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it". Naive people actually buy that and lap it up. The reality is, it aint gonna happen.
Almost every question to the other candidates is about Trump. They were ridiculously biased debates, and still Trump came out the winner according to any polls.
I'd say naive people actually thought Rubio was a good candidate. Trump supporters, if anything, are stubborn. Every major news outlet has been discouraging voting for Trump. As opposed to Rubio who was Fox News' media darling from the getgo, and sure enough you're all over him. Who's naive? I'd say look in the mirror smart guy.
Voting for the guy who is a Bush clone? lol Ya, we're the naive ones. Get a clue man.
Quote:Almost every question to the other candidates is about Trump. They were ridiculously biased debates, and still Trump came out the winner according to any polls.
I'd say naive people actually thought Rubio was a good candidate. Trump supporters, if anything, are stubborn. Every major news outlet has been discouraging voting for Trump. As opposed to Rubio who was Fox News' media darling from the getgo, and sure enough you're all over him. Who's naive? I'd say look in the mirror smart guy.
Voting for the guy who is a Bush clone? lol Ya, we're the naive ones. Get a clue man.
Typical from the liberal playbook, try to mock the opposition.
I wouldn't actually call people that support/supported Rubio as naive. He has/had a good message for people, that being that the future is important and that we need to leave our children and grand-children better off than we were. What is so wrong with that?
As far as a "Bush clone" I beg to differ on that. Marco Rubio has nothing in common with either President Bush other than party affiliation.
I suspect that you, much like other Trump supporters are probably pretty young and haven't gone through the experience of raising children and/or grand-children. I have. The opportunity for those that struggle are less. It's so much harder for an "average middle class" family to get by. It's worse for those that are further down in the social/economic ladder of our society. Much of it is our own fault, yet much of the fault lies with government and their policies.
To correct some of these issues, what have the candidates proposed? I do know that Marco Rubio proposed an idea that would allow a single mother to still get an education by non-conventional means (over the internet). That would lift that single mother into a better job and would eventually make her a tax payer. He talked about programs to get students that were/are not cut out for college an alternative to go to trade schools and/or community college. A welder, mechanic, electrician, plumber, etc. makes a good living, one that is enough to raise a family.
What specific programs has Donald Trump proposed? Perhaps enrolling in the (failed) Trump "University"? Maybe they can get a job at Trump Mortgage.... oh wait. However, these people would be "safe" because Trump is going to "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" and "get rid of the lines around the states" when it comes to health care. What does that do for anybody?
The bottom line is, his rhetoric doesn't say anything to normal middle or lower class people that gives them hope. The alternative in Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton doesn't really offer anything either. All they offer is "free stuff" rather than the opportunity to lift a person up. How about actually lifting people up?
It does not shock me that the same voters for a socialist would support trump, no further proof is required that trump is a centrist not a conservative.
Quote:It does not shock me that the same voters for a socialist would support trump, no further proof is required that trump is a centrist not a conservative.
How is proof some people aren't smart also proof Trump is a centrist?
But again, Trump can run on the independent ticket thus forcing republicans hands.
Quote:How is proof some people aren't smart also proof Trump is a centrist?
Anyone that can stomach a socialist candidate isn't going to ever support a conservative candidate they are polar opposites. The fact that Trump and Sanders can interchange so many supporters is evidence the two are closer than farther apart in policies. The bottom line they are both Big Government candidates they just want to use government differently to achieve their goals.
Quote:But again, Trump can run on the independent ticket thus forcing republicans hands.
"Here's your White House, Hillary. Now for your end of the bargain: Bill has to do the chicken dance wearing only a speedo and goggles while standing in a kids' pool full of Jell-o...and upload it to YouTube."
Quote:Typical from the liberal playbook, try to mock the opposition.
I wouldn't actually call people that support/supported Rubio as naive. He has/had a good message for people, that being that the future is important and that we need to leave our children and grand-children better off than we were. What is so wrong with that?
As far as a "Bush clone" I beg to differ on that. Marco Rubio has nothing in common with either President Bush other than party affiliation.
I suspect that you, much like other Trump supporters are probably pretty young and haven't gone through the experience of raising children and/or grand-children. I have. The opportunity for those that struggle are less. It's so much harder for an "average middle class" family to get by. It's worse for those that are further down in the social/economic ladder of our society. Much of it is our own fault, yet much of the fault lies with government and their policies.
To correct some of these issues, what have the candidates proposed? I do know that Marco Rubio proposed an idea that would allow a single mother to still get an education by non-conventional means (over the internet). That would lift that single mother into a better job and would eventually make her a tax payer. He talked about programs to get students that were/are not cut out for college an alternative to go to trade schools and/or community college. A welder, mechanic, electrician, plumber, etc. makes a good living, one that is enough to raise a family.
What specific programs has Donald Trump proposed? Perhaps enrolling in the (failed) Trump "University"? Maybe they can get a job at Trump Mortgage.... oh wait. However, these people would be "safe" because Trump is going to "build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" and "get rid of the lines around the states" when it comes to health care. What does that do for anybody?
The bottom line is, his rhetoric doesn't say anything to normal middle or lower class people that gives them hope. The alternative in Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton doesn't really offer anything either. All they offer is "free stuff" rather than the opportunity to lift a person up. How about actually lifting people up?
I'm pretty sure young people are his lowest supporters.
You didn't mock him (and I'm pretty sure badger is not a liberal, but feel free throw that word out anytime someone disagrees with you), but you did try to insult him. "I'm older so I know best and I have children and you must not if you don't agree with me and your obviously young and naive and blah, blah, blah"... Get off the high horse and try to not talk down to people.
Your argument doesn't hold a lot of water. The "mature" voters know best is laughable because the mature voters have voted us into this mess starting with the decline/stagnation of the middle class long, long, long ago. The "mature" voters voted in George Bush (I was one of those esteemed mature voters the first time time, but happy to say not the 2nd). I'm pretty sure you were sitting on your pretty high horse than to. The fact is, not much will change with any of the established choices. We will get much of the same, middle class will continue to decline and the 1% will continue to spread the gap. At the same time, I'm okay with you voting for who you would like.
Quote:Anyone that can stomach a socialist candidate isn't going to ever support a conservative candidate they are polar opposites. The fact that Trump and Sanders can interchange so many supporters is evidence the two are closer than farther apart in policies. The bottom line they are both Big Government candidates they just want to use government differently to achieve their goals.
I disagree. I think a lot of people are looking for change or something different. Yes, Bernie Sanders wants to implement social programs to level the playing field against the house. I think Donald is willing to go on both sides of the aisle. Donald is closer to Bernie I guess than any other Republican candidate, but the gap is still a mile wide.
Quote:I think it has become obvious to those who are paying attention - on both sides of the aisle - that this country is not a democracy. This is a country where the wealthy elite buy elections. It's an oligarchy.
And then you beat the drum using liberal talking points?