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Quote:The fact that we haven't seen aliens in the sense that it's proven there's aliens doesn't mean that aliens don't exist. Based on the sheer size of our universe, it's silly to think that there's not any other life out there.

I agree that there is likely life existing elsewhere in the universe.

A quick perusal of photos from the Hubble and a synopsis of what some of them imply is enough to realize that there are planets with atmospheres that may allow for many species to thrive.


However- I do think that if any of those species had evolved to the point of exploring our corner of the universe - we'd know it.

Quote:I agree that there is likely life existing elsewhere in the universe.

A quick perusal of photos from the Hubble and a synopsis of what some of them imply is enough to realize that there are planets with atmospheres that may allow for many species to thrive.

However- I do think that if any of those species had evolved to the point of exploring our corner of the universe - we'd know it.

 

Maybe, if it happened during civilized times.

Quote:I agree that there is likely life existing elsewhere in the universe.

A quick perusal of photos from the Hubble and a synopsis of what some of them imply is enough to realize that there are planets with atmospheres that may allow for many species to thrive.


However- I do think that if any of those species had evolved to the point of exploring our corner of the universe - we'd know it.

 

The thing is, the part in bold suggests that other beings or life depends on the same things that we do.  We have beings on this very planet that depend on different conditions in order to survive.

Quote:I agree that there is likely life existing elsewhere in the universe.

A quick perusal of photos from the Hubble and a synopsis of what some of them imply is enough to realize that there are planets with atmospheres that may allow for many species to thrive.


However- I do think that if any of those species had evolved to the point of exploring our corner of the universe - we'd know it.

I think if aliens exist they will be a life form completely unrecognizable from our structure or physical laws and rules.

Quote:The thing is, the part in bold suggests that other beings or life depends on the same things that we do. We have beings on this very planet that depend on different conditions in order to survive.

^^ Good post. This is very true (I certainly agree with you).

However, the knowledge that there are planetary zones elsewhere in the universe that may produce similar conditions of life as ours strengthens the idea of extraterrestrial "intelligent" life IMO.


We know the conditions that we need here are possibly replicated similarly elsewhere in these zones.


It is very true that other life may need different conditions that we do not even realize is possible. But in this case, we can also go by what we know, and it looks likely that these known conditions are probable.

Quote:Where is this line did I cross it already?

From the article you posted.

Quote:Telepath – receiving (this can cause a lot of problems if you don’t realize the thoughts in your head are not yours).

Quote:I think if aliens exist they will be a life form completely unrecognizable from our structure or physical laws and rules.

Probably some of that. I think by and large tho, life is probably very similar. Maybe it's not all carbon based but I bet alien life is not so different: corporeal form, fuel consumption, waste processing, cellular composition.

Quote:I think if aliens exist they will be a life form completely unrecognizable from our structure or physical laws and rules.

The laws of physics are the same throughout the observable universe. The four fundamental laws of nature; gravity, electromagnetism, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear forces (unlike the conventional theory of earth, wind, fire, and flatulence) tie it all together. We don't know for sure what happens inside black holes, but we know the rules change there.

Quote:I agree that there is likely life existing elsewhere in the universe.

A quick perusal of photos from the Hubble and a synopsis of what some of them imply is enough to realize that there are planets with atmospheres that may allow for many species to thrive.


However- I do think that if any of those species had evolved to the point of exploring our corner of the universe - we'd know it.

 

I wouldn't say it's 'likely' but it's certainly possible.  


But I'd say given the size of the Universe, it's unlikely any of them would have found us even if they do have FTL travel.  I'd also say that any scientist worth his salt that saw a real life Alien would have told the world and collected his trillion dollars and Nobel Prize by now.


And if any Aliens lived among us, we'd probably be hearing "Build a dome, Send them home!"

Quote:I think if aliens exist they will be a life form completely unrecognizable from our structure or physical laws and rules.

Two words:


Vito Stellino

Quote:The thing is, the part in bold suggests that other beings or life depends on the same things that we do.  We have beings on this very planet that depend on different conditions in order to survive.

I have often said, "why do aliens have to be similar to us?" and the other thing I have often said is "why does everyone assume that any life form from another planet would be more advanced than us?" 

Quote:I have often said, "why do aliens have to be similar to us?" and the other thing I have often said is "why does everyone assume that any life form from another planet would be more advanced than us?" 

 

My own speculation is this.  Different knowledge is perceived sometimes as "advanced knowledge".  So called "advanced knowledge" is nothing more that knowledge not acquired or achieved.  In simple terms, it basically means that something that so-called "smart" people don't know is considered "advanced" because they didn't know it.

 

Those of you that partake, put that in your pipe, smoke it and think about it.

Quote:My own speculation is this.  Different knowledge is perceived sometimes as "advanced knowledge".  So called "advanced knowledge" is nothing more that knowledge not acquired or achieved.  In simple terms, it basically means that something that so-called "smart" people don't know is considered "advanced" because they didn't know it.

 

Those of you that partake, put that in your pipe, smoke it and think about it.

so you are saying, anything we don't already know but someone else knows is advanced to us...I suppose that's true to an extent, but wouldn't the environment of where you are contribute to different knowledge? For instance, let's pick a state that is pretty flat, such as Kansas...People there know how to farm well and distribute enough water over their crops to make them grow and produce well...Here in Pa, the Amish farm horizontally on hillsides and know how to be able to move water sideways across a hill or mountain in rows, rather  than moving water across flat level ground...Would that be considered advanced knowledge? 

Uuuuummmmmm....HELLO? HELLO?, I'm right here . I can hear you.  Pffft. Y'all gonna make me lose my mind...up in here.

Quote:Uuuuummmmmm....HELLO? HELLO?, I'm right here . I can hear you. Pffft. Y'all gonna make me lose my mind...up in here.

But will we make you act the fool up in here?

Quote:But will we make you act the fool up in here?

 

Y'all gonna make me lose my cool up in here.

Quote:My own speculation is this.  Different knowledge is perceived sometimes as "advanced knowledge".  So called "advanced knowledge" is nothing more that knowledge not acquired or achieved.  In simple terms, it basically means that something that so-called "smart" people don't know is considered "advanced" because they didn't know it.

 

Those of you that partake, put that in your pipe, smoke it and think about it.

 

It's called advanced knowledge because acquiring it is commonly a difficult and expensive task that sometime takes decades. For example, the Large Hadron Collider. Without the painstaking efforts used to gather it, most advanced knowledge would never be known.

 

Now, about this idea that aliens are somehow visiting us on Earth, think about the huge distances involved to visit our planet.  Does anyone honestly think that if an alien civilization had expended the great effort to travel here they would be satisfied with doing nothing more than slaughtering livestock and conducting anal probes on unsuspecting humans?

 

This should give you an idea of the vastness of our universe by simply illustrating the distances of our solar system. Light travels around 186,000 miles, or 300,000,000 meters per second.  Nothing is known to travel faster - unless of course "advanced knowledge" has found a faster method.

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My favorite meme, do aliens on other planets have problems with illegal aliens visiting their planet or solar system or galaxy (depending on how they view it)?