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Joe Flacco got a new extension today and basically restructured so the Ravens could keep their top offensive guard.


I know we were hoping he would come to Jax, so now that Flacco saved the Ravens money looks like we will keep looking for a Center.


Unless Cann or Linder slide over, then we will keep looking for a guard.


I'm not even gonna try to spell his name but you can cross the Ravens guard off your wish list.

Just seen where Mack voids Browns deal, he will hit the market.


Make it happen David.

Since it's too late to put a tag on the guard who's name you won't say, he will still be available unless he's really stupid.

 

What player is going to just sign a deal without testing the market first. Dude is the top FA at his position. But he's not going to test the market.

 

Riiiiiiiiight.

Quote:Just seen where Mack voids Browns deal, he will hit the market.


Make it happen David.

Yes, because we need a 30-year-old center coming off a bad year who can't stay healthy.

i thought Mack made the probowl this year

Quote:i thought Mack made the probowl this year

Name value alone is how he got in.

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Quote:Name value alone is how he got in.

True, but still goes to show he is one of the best in the league. Blake could use that.

Quote:Yes, because we need a 30-year-old center coming off a bad year who can't stay healthy.

 

Mack has started 16 games in six of his seven seasons. The only one he didn't was when he broke his leg in 2014.

People keep trying to call an off year a bad year. There is a difference. Even with the slow start to the season he was a top 10 or 12 center and a Pro Bowler. Its getting stretched to the point now where he's borderline garbage that needs to retire.

Quote:Mack has started 16 games in six of his seven seasons. The only one he didn't was when he broke his leg in 2014.

To piggyback on that, Mack has never even missed a snap outside of breaking his leg in 2014.

The good player coming off a down year is much better than the average player coming off a good year.

Quote:The good player coming off a down year is much better than the average player coming off a good year.

I like that

Quote:People keep trying to call an off year a bad year. There is a difference. Even with the slow start to the season he was a top 10 or 12 center and a Pro Bowler. Its getting stretched to the point now where he's borderline garbage that needs to retire.

I believe PFF had Mack as their 16th rated C last year, Wiz was their 12th.

 

After checking, yep. Do you really want to give 10+ mil/yr to a guy who was worse than what we had last year in hopes that he returns to the former glory of 2 years ago and a major injury? Not a lot of room for profit investing like that...

 

Stefen Wisniewski

The top spot in a somewhat lackluster center group goes to Wisniewski, who’s coming off of a one-year deal in Jacksonville. Only three centers had a better pass-blocking efficiency than Wisniewski did last season, after allowing just 14 pressures in 686 snaps in pass protection, and he’s graded well above average there in four of five seasons. As a run blocker, he struggled at times in 2015—particularly during the Jaguars’ two-game stretch against Baltimore and Tennessee in Weeks 10 and 11—but for his career, he’s graded above average there. Teams should also be enticed by Wisniewski’s age (27 when the season starts) and durability, given that he’s played 5,174 out of 5,193 possible snaps over five seasons.

 

Alex Mack

A couple of years ago, it looked like Mack was on his way to Jacksonville, but the transition tag allowed Cleveland to match the contract offer and keep the former Pro Bowler. Unfortunately, Mack’s return was short-lived, as he suffered a broken leg in Week 6 of the following year. Now two seasons later, Mack has opted out of his contract to finally become a true free agent.

<p style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Gotham SSm A', 'Gotham SSm B', Gotham, sans-serif;">Prior to his injury in 2014, Mack was a very consistent player who continually graded among the top 10, if not top five, centers in the league. He did very well as a zone-run blocker at a position that is vital to the scheme’s success. He was also one of the most durable players. Mack missed over half a season due to a fluke injury, but otherwise, had not missed a snap in his seven seasons. In his first season back this year, though, he didn’t match that same level of performance we had seen from him in the years prior. Mack graded out average, with the 16th-best overall grade at center. Still, at 30 years old, he is young enough to potentially have several good years ahead of him—if he can get back to the level of play we are accustomed to seeing.

Quote:I believe PFF had Mack as their 16th rated C last year, Wiz was their 12th.

 

After checking, yep. Do you really want to give 10+ mil/yr to a guy who was worse than what we had last year in hopes that he returns to the former glory of 2 years ago and a major injury? Not a lot of room for profit investing like that...

 

Stefen Wisniewski

The top spot in a somewhat lackluster center group goes to Wisniewski, who’s coming off of a one-year deal in Jacksonville. Only three centers had a better pass-blocking efficiency than Wisniewski did last season, after allowing just 14 pressures in 686 snaps in pass protection, and he’s graded well above average there in four of five seasons. As a run blocker, he struggled at times in 2015—particularly during the Jaguars’ two-game stretch against Baltimore and Tennessee in Weeks 10 and 11—but for his career, he’s graded above average there. Teams should also be enticed by Wisniewski’s age (27 when the season starts) and durability, given that he’s played 5,174 out of 5,193 possible snaps over five seasons.

 

Alex Mack

A couple of years ago, it looked like Mack was on his way to Jacksonville, but the transition tag allowed Cleveland to match the contract offer and keep the former Pro Bowler. Unfortunately, Mack’s return was short-lived, as he suffered a broken leg in Week 6 of the following year. Now two seasons later, Mack has opted out of his contract to finally become a true free agent.

<p style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Gotham SSm A', 'Gotham SSm B', Gotham, sans-serif;">Prior to his injury in 2014, Mack was a very consistent player who continually graded among the top 10, if not top five, centers in the league. He did very well as a zone-run blocker at a position that is vital to the scheme’s success. He was also one of the most durable players. Mack missed over half a season due to a fluke injury, but otherwise, had not missed a snap in his seven seasons. In his first season back this year, though, he didn’t match that same level of performance we had seen from him in the years prior. Mack graded out average, with the 16th-best overall grade at center. Still, at 30 years old, he is young enough to potentially have several good years ahead of him—if he can get back to the level of play we are accustomed to seeing.

 

Everyone pans pff and then uses it as evidence to support their opinions.  Pff will get you in the ball park, but its not some exact science.  I certainly would have taken Mack over Wiz last year and expect Mack to be better this year.  But to answer your question, yes.  Yes, I would sign Mack for $9 to $10 million dollars and make him the highest paid center in the league.

 

I know its semantics, but a broken fibula isn't exactly a major injury.  Once it heals there are no lasting effects or lingering risks of reinjury.  

Quote:I certainly would have taken Mack over Wiz last year and expect Mack to be better this year.  But to answer your question, yes.  Yes, I would sign Mack for $9 to $10 million dollars and make him the highest paid center in the league.

I wouldn't, but I'm not going to be upset if/when we do. I am pretty sure Dave is going to try.

 

There's just no room for upside at that price, if he plays elite then we break even on elite pay. Anything but elite and we are at a loss on investment. And he hasn't been elite for 2 seasons now. 

 

I would personally draft Kelly at 38 if he's there, or go with the Cann/Linder to C route and sign any of the plethora of other good, young, and just entering their prime guards like Allen, Brooks, Boone, Silatolu, Harris, etc. 

Mack is arguably one of the top three centers in the league if not the best. The more of these type of players a team has the more games they will win. Maybe he is prepared to  reward the Jags for the opportunity that the contract Dave created that they had to match has afforded him. Without that opt out clause he is stuck in Cleveland.

Quote:Mack is arguably one of the top three centers in the league if not the best.

Arguably even at 28 when he got that contract to begin with. Very, very, very arguably now. 

Sign Wiz and Mack.

Quote:Sign Wiz and Mack.

Genius.

 

I say keep Wiz if he'll be cheaper than Mack.

People remember two bad snaps and act like he was some sieve on our line.

 

We are the fanbase of the 'grass is greener'.