Quote:Mediocrity at its finest. I'm sure you are used to that but i want to spend the money on great players.
Ok, I'll play along. I'll repeat myself.
Name me one team that went on a spending spree and won the superbowl that season.
Just one.
I'll be waiting.
Quote:Ok, I'll play along. I'll repeat myself.
Name me one team that went on a spending spree and won the superbowl that season.
Just one.
I'll be waiting.
Who said superbowl? Denver is doing pretty well after thst offseason of nabbing talib, ware, ward, etc.
We aren't building through FA, getting some veteran help to aid with the talent deficiencies on defense will help a lot.
If we can sign some talent, draft mostly defense, we can get the d to either start turning around or be right around a middle of the pack defense. Teams that generally spend have problems at qb. We dont. Dolphins are an exception, but it's not because the talent isn't there, it's because Tannehill royally sucked.
NE also has done pretty well with those Revis, Randy Moss, Sheard, etc. Signings who helped bolster their team.
Like honestly, I feel like it's dumb to be so anti-fa. We have a TON of cap, we lack talent at some of the most important positions on defense. We desperately need to replace Beadles on the line if we want to see Joeckel take a step up and hopefully the run game. Drafting is our primary source of finding key pieces to our team. Most of our top players and "cornerstones" are guys we brought in through the draft. With how little talent we had before Dave got here though, it's going to be too long of a process to get to contending in this division if we don't try and help ourselves through FA.
I'm pretty sure we HAVE to spend like 30M in FA alone to help us get to that cap floor. It's not even a choice, we do have to spend.
Does getting a Vernon/Williams, a Bruce Irvin, a Gipson, etc. guarantee us to start turning things around? Are they for sure going to work out and be key pieces on defense? No, but they certainly will help a lot and we desperately need talent. Draft picks sometimes bust, and to help fill the defense we need several positions to pan out if we want to see this team be a Superbowl contender. Going purely draft to do this will likely result in a bottom feeder for the next couple years at least.
I don't know about you guys, but we got ourselves our franchise QB. I don't care to waste any more years with him. This is our time to start owning the AFC South.
Quote:Who said superbowl? Denver is doing pretty well after thst offseason of nabbing talib, ware, ward, etc.
We aren't building through FA, getting some veteran help to aid with the talent deficiencies on defense will help a lot.
If we can sign some talent, draft mostly defense, we can get the d to either start turning around or be right around a middle of the pack defense. Teams that generally spend have problems at qb. We dont. Dolphins are an exception, but it's not because the talent isn't there, it's because Tannehill royally sucked.
NE also has done pretty well with those Revis, Randy Moss, Sheard, etc. Signings who helped bolster their team.
Have you checked where either of those teams ranked in FA spending for those seasons?
You should. If you had, you would know that your examples have absolutely nothing to do with my question.
Oh, that, and I wasn't talking to you.
Quote:Who said superbowl? Denver is doing pretty well after thst offseason of nabbing talib, ware, ward, etc.
We aren't building through FA, getting some veteran help to aid with the talent deficiencies on defense will help a lot.
If we can sign some talent, draft mostly defense, we can get the d to either start turning around or be right around a middle of the pack defense. Teams that generally spend have problems at qb. We dont. Dolphins are an exception, but it's not because the talent isn't there, it's because Tannehill royally sucked.
NE also has done pretty well with those Revis, Randy Moss, Sheard, etc. Signings who helped bolster their team.
Exactly. Denver spent alot that year. There is some real talent out there in FA, (vernon, Jackson, Smith) You cant shy away because other teams have failed. Any of those guys i named would instanly be the best players on out defense.
Quote:Have you checked where either of those teams ranked in FA spending for those seasons?
You should. If you had, you would know that your examples have absolutely nothing to do with my question.
Oh, that, and I wasn't talking to you.
I don't care who the hell you were talking to. It's a message board, if you are going to talk, you are going to get replied to if I disagree with what you're saying.
You just keep saying how spending in Free Agency doesn't equate to a Superbowl. I think a lot of fans on here would be happy with a .500 record, or being close to the playoffs. Gaining talent in FA even though it's not a for sure thing would definitely get us closer to being that kind of a team.
Quote:Exactly. Denver spent alot that year. There is some real talent out there in FA, (vernon, Jackson, Smith) You cant shy away because other teams have failed.
That's one miss thus far.
Still waiting............
Quote:Still waiting............
Who cares whats happened to other teams in the past. It hasnt worked out for many but this team has to do something. We've sucked for the last 10 years, its about time we do something different.
Quote:That's one miss thus far.
Still waiting............
No one expects this team to make the Superbowl next year, nor is anyone "expecting that" if we do make a big splash. You don't make it to the Superbowl strictly through signing veterans in FA. That's where the draft gets you if you draft well enough.
Signings FA's gets you closer and improves talent level. No one is saying FA is more important or what we need to do versus gaining talent through the draft.
Quote:I don't care who the hell you were talking to. It's a message board, if you are going to talk, you are going to get replied to if I disagree with what you're saying.
You just keep saying how spending in Free Agency doesn't equate to a Superbowl. I think a lot of fans on here would be happy with a .500 record, or being close to the playoffs. Gaining talent in FA even though it's not a for sure thing would definitely get us closer to being that kind of a team.
Ease up there. We would hate to find you swinging from a shower rod over being perceived as slighted on a message board.
Like honestly, is it really that hard to comprehend? If you are fine being [BLEEP] for another 2-3 years than go ahead. You can't possibly expect to skip out on Free Agency, draft primarily defense, and turn this thing around next year with the way we looked on defense. Zero pass rush, terrible safety play, breakdown in coverages from the LB group plenty of times. Fowler and a draft class full of guys certainly aren't going to fix those holes in one or probably even two years. Go ahead and keep dreaming that'll get it done.
I'm not one thats huge on Free Agency, but when you have this much cap room and you have an offense like ours with so much talent, you need to start showing some urgency to get things turned around on defense. This offense with a middle of the pack defense is a playoff caliber team.
Quote:Ease up there. We would hate to find you swinging from a shower rod over being perceived as slighted on a message board.
That was a good one man. :teehee:
Spend some money and go for it, the time to strike is now. This roster is getting close, playoff birth isn't that far fetched with a few quality pieces added via free agency and the draft.
Quote:Who cares whats happened to other teams in the past. It hasnt worked out for many but this team has to do something. We've sucked for the last 10 years, its about time we do something different.
Which still brings me back to my question. You have yet to name one team who has won the FA sweepstakes and done anything with it.
That's what you are want this team to do. Surely you can name a single example where it has worked like you expect it to work for this team.
I think that there is a much more obvious reason for you starting this thread. Just like every other thread you have ever made, you are just bashing the team and trolling the others. Most others simply ignore you, which is really what I should do. You're a one trick donkey and really not worth the time. I did have some fun with it for a few, but I am growing bored with you. You cannot defend your position one bit.
Quote:Spend some money and go for it, the time to strike is now. This roster is getting close, playoff birth isn't that far fetched with a few quality pieces added via free agency and the draft.
Pretty much exactly my point.
I really don't get the thought process of passing on FA and signing a couple low tier FA's and drafting and expecting us to really take that big of a step forward next year. If we don't sign anyone, next year comes along and we are a 6-7 win team, you'll hear whining and crying about how Dave and Gus didn't bring in enough talent and they are the problem.
No, I'm not a Gus fan, but this defense outside of a few spots is just pathetic talent wise. That's not Caldwell's fault, 2013 draft was pathetic and had barely any players and our 1st rd pick last year had a freak injury. He fixed the offense, and the defense still needs plenty of work. Can't expect a GM to fix both sides of the ball when you had so little talent to begin with in 3 drafts, especially when rookies take time to develop. Gotta flush in talent in Free Agency with the draft if you want to turn things around. Way to hard to go strictly draft, especially when you can't hit on everybody, and expect results.
Quote:Spend some money and go for it, the time to strike is now. This roster is getting close, playoff birth isn't that far fetched with a few quality pieces added via free agency and the draft.
Pretty much exactly my point.
I really don't get the thought process of passing on FA and signing a couple low tier FA's and drafting and expecting us to really take that big of a step forward next year. If we don't sign anyone, next year comes along and we are a 6-7 win team, you'll hear whining and crying about how Dave and Gus didn't bring in enough talent and they are the problem.
No, I'm not a Gus fan, but this defense outside of a few spots is just pathetic talent wise. That's not Caldwell's fault, 2013 draft was pathetic and had barely any players and our 1st rd pick last year had a freak injury. He fixed the offense, and the defense still needs plenty of work. Can't expect a GM to fix both sides of the ball when you had so little talent to begin with in 3 drafts, especially when rookies take time to develop. Gotta flush in talent in Free Agency with the draft if you want to turn things around. Way to hard to go strictly draft, especially when you can't hit on everybody, and expect results.
Quote:Which still brings me back to my question. You have yet to name one team who has won the FA sweepstakes and done anything with it.
That's what you are want this team to do. Surely you can name a single example where it has worked like you expect it to work for this team.
I think that there is a much more obvious reason for you starting this thread. Just like every other thread you have ever made, you are just bashing the team and trolling the others. Most others simply ignore you, which is really what I should do. You're a one trick donkey and really not worth the time. I did have some fun with it for a few, but I am growing bored with you. You cannot defend your position one bit.
So by posting Jaguar related news im trolling? Wow, you must have thin skin. Its free agency time of year, and post things i hear just like everyone else does. You just have an agenda to push that u think im some crappy person. Just because i dont live in the state of Florida does not make me any less of a fan than anyone that has season tickets. If you wanna bash me then go ahead, but as much as i disagree with what this team does ill always stand by them.
I think Caldwell stated it perfectly. You want to find that fine line of quality and value and honestly hes proven to me he can do it. The more I think about it I feel he will get Irvin but im not sure were gonna get Vernon. I can fully see a team like the giants giving him like 18 mil and Dave wont give that kind of money away. And im completly fine with that.
I think he will identify guys who fit the scheme and bring in a lot of value guys. That is smart although thats not exactly what people wanna hear. Stick to the draft and add value peices in FA.
Really if he adds Irvin and a guy like Mike Neal that would give us great pass rush rotation with Fowler. A good mix of youth and veteran presence. Our oldest pass rusher would be 28. Thats a good spot to be in. Add McLeod for like 7 mil and you have really upgraded your defense without braking the bank.
Then wait a few weeks and sign cheaper guys who are still young but fit the scheme. Try to find the next Marks. Then you still have 8 draft picks. Caldwell wants to make the right decisions not just do something for the sake of it and I really respect that.
What are some folks not understanding about not being as "cash rich" as some might think we are?
I think a lot of folks in this thread didn't even bother actually reading the article...
Didn't help having all those "hey, we gots $100M to spend!" threads spewing misinformation...
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