Something not mentioned, non of those quarterbacks you mention started their second year in a team that was utterly dismantled and buildt from the mantle up. the projections for this offense as a whole is on a much higher path than any of those qb's. anything is possible 28 or 43 touchdowns who knows... but keep in mind this ENTIRE offense in the skill positions are extremely young as well as the rest of the offense what we saw last year was what a second year team can do without a defense... when the defense starts getting three and outs and the offense improves the possibilities for bortles and this offense may be unprecedented.
Quote:I get not being able to post a link, but could you maybe cite the article?
I didn't have time when I first posted this. FBT fixed it for me.
Quote:Interesting that it says you cant focus on one statistic then bases the whole acticle on touchdowns. Lets not talk about leading the league in 20 yard plus plays, having the longest play from scrimmage or even throwing for 4400 yards where only 12 guys threw for over 4000 and he he was the 7th heighest total.
It talks about not looking at numbers to make a determination but the article plays Nostradamus based on stats. Since he had the most redzone attemps that means he had a lot of tds because all of his scores were close? Whats? We didnt start at the opponents 20. He had to get us down there. Lol im not sure how this is the best article ever read but its premise was contradictory at worst and complex yet arbitrary at best.
But hey we all got an opinion....
I was impressed with this article I read a lot of articles about the jags and this one really impressed me with stats that I didn't even know we're tracked.
Just thought people might find it interesting like I did
I didn't expect my sharing this would evoke such ridicule or scrutiny.
Hey...this is supposed to be fun right? Lol.
It's not fun when responses like yours are the result.
I'll move on now....lol no time for frivolous drama.
Quote:I was impressed with this article I read a lot of articles about the jags and this one really impressed me with stats that I didn't even know we're tracked.
Just thought people might find it interesting like I did
I didn't expect my sharing this would evoke such ridicule or scrutiny.
Hey...this is supposed to be fun right? Lol.
It's not fun when responses like yours are the result.
I'll move on now....lol no time for frivolous drama.
I really didnt mean to sound like i was judging your opinion more so arguing with the article itself. Defintely didnt mean to come of like that. It was just they really said you cant focus on one stat then built an arguement from one stat to say our star qb wont be that good. It was more of an accident that he did threw for 35 tds.
Quote:I really didnt mean to sound like i was judging your opinion more so arguing with the article itself. Defintely didnt mean to come of like that. It was just they really said you cant focus on one stat then built an arguement from one stat to say our star qb wont be that good. It was more of an accident that he did threw for 35 tds.
Thanks I appreciate your response. And now that I've had the time to read the article more closely I agree with your observations
Quote:I really didnt mean to sound like i was judging your opinion more so arguing with the article itself. Defintely didnt mean to come of like that. It was just they really said you cant focus on one stat then built an arguement from one stat to say our star qb wont be that good. It was more of an accident that he did threw for 35 tds.
I think we will have a more balanced attack next year and I think bb5 is still gonna have good numbers
Quote:I think we will have a more balanced attack next year and I think bb5 is still gonna have good numbers
Thats how i feel. Personally i think if the defense improves Blake will get more opportunities from turnovers as well as cutting his own down.
Quote:Neither is going for big yardage while you fail to complete 3rd down after 3rd down.
Jaguars were 22nd in the league for 3rd down success percentage (conversion or TD) on passing downs.
If you think that's unacceptable, consider the team that was 23rd - the Denver Broncos.
Quote:Jaguars were 22nd in the league for 3rd down success percentage (conversion or TD) on passing downs.
If you think that's unacceptable, consider the team that was 23rd - the Denver Broncos.
Yes let's compare ourselves to one of the most dominant defenses the league has seen in years, maybe decades.
Sheesh, are you people so blind? No one's saying Blake sucks. No one's saying that Blake needs to become Captain Checkdown Henne.
We just need him to be more balanced and know *when* to take risks. If it's 3rd and 7 and there's a guy open for 6 who has a chance of breaking a tackle to pick up the 1st down...give the guy a chance instead of holding the ball hoping for a 20 yard gain and getting sacked, fumble, or picked off.
Quote:That was a loooong article to basically say he's going to regress.
Actually, what I took from it was that the team will be better, therefore, he won't need to throw so much.
"It's possible that Bortles gets to 35 touchdowns again next year, but it would call for just as pass-heavy of an approach close to the goal line for Jacksonville, a lack of improvement in the team's running game, a defense that continues to call for shootouts and, of course, a little luck."
And that's perfectly logical. If we're ahead late in games, we will be running, not throwing, if we have a better running game, will be running more in the red zone and not throwing so much, if our defense is better, we won't be so desperate to score. Basically, Bortles could be a better QB next year and still throw for fewer TDs.
Quote:Actually, what I took from it was that the team will be better, therefore, he won't need to throw so much.
"It's possible that Bortles gets to 35 touchdowns again next year, but it would call for just as pass-heavy of an approach close to the goal line for Jacksonville, a lack of improvement in the team's running game, a defense that continues to call for shootouts and, of course, a little luck."
And that's perfectly logical. If we're ahead late in games, we will be running, not throwing, if we have a better running game, will be running more in the red zone and not throwing so much, if our defense is better, we won't be so desperate to score. Basically, Bortles could be a better QB next year and still throw for fewer TDs.
Sure. I don't expect Blake to throw for that many touchdowns and he shouldn't. He shouldn't be relied on that heavily ever. But, the article, IMO, was WAY long winded. I guess that was my point.
Quote:Yes let's compare ourselves to one of the most dominant defenses the league has seen in years, maybe decades.
I don't know whether you noticed, but the defences tend not to be on the field on third down passing plays. There are plenty of other teams worse than the Jaguars on third down. A third of the league, give or take.
Quote:I don't know whether you noticed, but the defences tend not to be on the field on third down passing plays. There are plenty of other teams worse than the Jaguars on third down. A third of the league, give or take.
IMO, the real problem was not 3rd down but being put in 2nd and long situations far too often.
I thought the offense did a good job on 3rd down taking that into consideration.
Quote:I don't know whether you noticed, but the defences tend not to be on the field on third down passing plays. There are plenty of other teams worse than the Jaguars on third down. A third of the league, give or take.
So why did you bring up Denver's offense, which was awfully bad for most of the season and was practically carried by an elite defense into the conversation?
IMO our 3rd down struggles stemmed directly from the running game. I remember teams constantly stacking the box against us. This year they finally didnt have to because our line was garbage
Bizarrely, we were smack bang in the middle of the league for success when rushing on third down. I expected worse...
Quote:I didn't have time when I first posted this. FBT fixed it for me.
No worries. Thanks for posting.
Quote:No worries. Thanks for posting.
I'm glad I posted this...apparently it sparked a decent debate. And the mb was basically quite otherwise
Would anyone give a crap what Blakes "numbers" are if we win,
Quote:Jaguars were 22nd in the league for 3rd down success percentage (conversion or TD) on passing downs.
If you think that's unacceptable, consider the team that was 23rd - the Denver Broncos.
People seem to forget what a tough road Denver took to the championship. Brock Osweiler was at the helm for a significant time, and just like a couple years ago when the Patriots won folks were saying Manning was done just as they were saying similar things about Brady then.
Winning changes the perspective on everything.
That, and a Championship caliber defense.
Quote:Would anyone give a crap what Blakes "numbers" are if we win,
Exactly. Though, there are those who love to harp on that in the hopes it makes them "right," regardless of how the team is doing.