Quote:We don't have the luxery right now to pay league standard. In order to pull the talent we need, we have to overpay. Luckily we have a lot of cap space to do so. I wouldn't break the bank on him. But if we have to overpay a little, I'd pull the plug on it.
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Thats my thing. If we were in the 30 million range with new contracts coming up okay maybe thats too much but with 87 million potentially and no pressing contract negotiations coming up other than Hurns this is a no brainer. Our other players would still have another year after this season. Blake would have 2 more with his 5th year option. We are in such a good cap situation it's ridiculous. This is the reason why we cut all those bad contracts years ago to spend that money now on better, younger talent after we drafted our own.
Jason Cole seems to think it is unlikely that the Dolphins use the tag on Vernon. He also thinks that he will command 14-15M if he hits the market. Guess we will see soon enough.
Looks like Miami is trying to extend Wake's contract so they can franchise Vernon; per nfl.com. (can't attach the link for whatever reason).
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Quote:Looks like Miami is trying to extend Wake's contract so they can franchise Vernon; per nfl.com. (can't attach the link for whatever reason).
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Sounds good. I just dont see how they can free up another 7 million in just redoing a contract only to give it all to one guy only to be either a few hundred thousand away from the cap limit over over it again. That Suh deal messed them up and theres only so much finacial engineering a team can do before they have to work on getting out of cap hell.
Not signing him really would be the best thing for the dolphins (and us lol) but it isnt our problem lol. Im confident Caldwell is a solid drafter.
Quote:Sounds good. I just dont see how they can free up another 7 million in just redoing a contract only to give it all to one guy only to be either a few hundred thousand away from the cap limit over over it again. That Suh deal messed them up and theres only so much finacial engineering a team can do before they have to work on getting out of cap hell.
Not signing him really would be the best thing for the dolphins (and us lol) but it isnt our problem lol. Im confident Caldwell is a solid drafter.
I really don't think you've noticed how easily teams have always manipulated the salary cap historically to keep players that they really want to. If Miami really wants to franchise Vernon they will do it with ease. Suh's contract is easily restructurable, Jordan Cameron is an expensive and fairly easy cut, the salary cap is going up 12 million...etc.
Quote:I really don't think you've noticed how easily teams have always manipulated the salary cap historically to keep players that they really want to. If Miami really wants to franchise Vernon they will do it with ease. Suh's contract is easily restructurable, Jordan Cameron is an expensive and fairly easy cut, the salary cap is going up 12 million...etc.
Oh no i get they can do. The point im getting at is they are not in a healthy cap situation. All they are doing is finacial engineering and they will pay this money one way or another. Yeah they can redo Suh contract and cut Cameron to free up more space but all theyll do is give all that money back to Vernon and when Suh is do all the money they pushed back this year to next year, they'll be in this same boat again trying to finacially engineer the salary cap again with less players to cut and more moeny to pay.
What im saying is this is not sustainable and at some point it will get to place where they can no longer do this. Also for a team that just went 6-10 it is just ridiculous they are doing this every year. They arent stacked either lol. Yeah they can resign him. Its really not the end of the world for us if they do cause we drafted a pass rusher last year and someone will be available as well as draft picks this year.
But for their situation, it just isnt feasible.
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It jumped up a notch, didn't it?
Quote:Sounds good. I just dont see how they can free up another 7 million in just redoing a contract only to give it all to one guy only to be either a few hundred thousand away from the cap limit over over it again. That Suh deal messed them up and theres only so much finacial engineering a team can do before they have to work on getting out of cap hell.
Not signing him really would be the best thing for the dolphins (and us lol) but it isnt our problem lol. Im confident Caldwell is a solid drafter.
This what I have been saying for a few weeks. That Suh deal is haunting the Fish. They only paid him $800k base salary last year to get under the cap and then loaded up the rest of the contract to the tune of $28million this season alone. Current projections have them slightly over the cap with 41 players signed for 2016. How are they going to sign 4 more players and give Vernon a big raise who is also a D lineman? I don't think there is anyway they can sign Vernon unless he agrees to some type of Suh contract where he makes nothing his first season and is back loaded for the rest of the contract. The Dolphins have to realize they screwed themselves on the Suh deal and they are going to let some players walk
Quote:This what I have been saying for a few weeks. That Suh deal is haunting the Fish. They only paid him $800k base salary last year to get under the cap and then loaded up the rest of the contract to the tune of $28million this season alone. Current projections have them slightly over the cap with 41 players signed for 2016. How are they going to sign 4 more players and give Vernon a big raise who is also a D lineman? I don't think there is anyway they can sign Vernon unless he agrees to some type of Suh contract where he makes nothing his first season and is back loaded for the rest of the contract. The Dolphins have to realize they screwed themselves on the Suh deal and they are going to let some players walk
Exactly you can only move money around so much. They wernt in a good cap situation when they signed him cutting 4 defensive players then. Now they have to play him the big bucks now, cut some more guys just to give Vernon a huge deal only to be back in the same poor cap situation next year? Uh uh buddy. The jags on the other hand can absolve that type of contract and be fine afterward. The fins cant do it. Two guys getting some kind of 25 mil year 3 years in lol yeah right. If they do it so be it but thats not my team that will be in cap hell lol.
Quote:This what I have been saying for a few weeks. That Suh deal is haunting the Fish. They only paid him $800k base salary last year to get under the cap and then loaded up the rest of the contract to the tune of $28million this season alone. Current projections have them slightly over the cap with 41 players signed for 2016. How are they going to sign 4 more players and give Vernon a big raise who is also a D lineman? I don't think there is anyway they can sign Vernon unless he agrees to some type of Suh contract where he makes nothing his first season and is back loaded for the rest of the contract. The Dolphins have to realize they screwed themselves on the Suh deal and they are going to let some players walk
If they can get Suh to restructure (likely moving some of his $23m base this year to bonus), and get Wake to sign a bogus extension so they can turn a portion of his $8m base to bonus, they can put the $15m franchise tag on Vernon. However, using this likely strategy will be pushing quite a bit of dead money (and/or future amortization amounts) on the next caps for the Phins. It is a gamble for the Phins. Both Suh and Wake would have no issue with the moves, as they just get paid the money now, instead of over later paychecks.
Quote:If they can get Suh to restructure (likely moving some of his $23m base this year to bonus), and get Wake to sign a bogus extension so they can turn a portion of his $8m base to bonus, they can put the $15m franchise tag on Vernon. However, using this likely strategy will be pushing quite a bit of dead money (and/or future amortization amounts) on the next caps for the Phins. It is a gamble for the Phins. Both Suh and Wake would have no issue with the moves, as they just get paid the money now, instead of over later paychecks.
Now after doing some reading on the matter of Suh's contract correct me if im wrong: when they say a signing bonus that doesnt necessarily mean thats money they get immediately. Thats the money gaurenteed for just "signing the contract" hence the term signing bonus. This amount can be prorated over the life of a contract. So in essence the player is getting the same total amount of signing bonus money just broken up at a different times.
In Suh's case he signed a deal for 6 year 114 with a 25 mil signing bonus and 60 mil guarenteed. From how I understand that it is at minimum he makes 25 million if he gets cut the day after he signed it, at minimum 60 mil if he plays the whole contract with the ability to make up to 114 mil.
The issue is he played for a base salary of less than 1 mil and only 5 mil of his signing bonus last year. They did that to make sure he was under contract and pushed the money to the back end over the last 5 years.
He is supposed to make 28 mil this year cause he only played for 6 mil last year. If they push that back even more it will just keep setting them up for even more failure later. Like I said it isnt my team whose salary cap is in trouble and its not the end of the world if we cant get Vernon but boy they are better of trying to create cap space in gereal rather than just to give it all to him and be in the same situation next year.
Any capologist out there please help me if i stated anything wrong.