Just watching cut ups of Ramsey...guy has really average ball tracking skills. VH3 has good hands, instincts, and plays the ball while in the air so much better than Ramsey.
I'm curious if VH3 could play some FS...or line up all around? Any Gator fans know?
Not sure but I think VH3 will surprise some people at the combine as well and his stock will go up
His versatility and height is the only reason VH3 is a much better football player.
Quote:Because he's better.
At what exactly? Being caught on?
Quote:At what exactly? Being caught on?
At playing football.
Quote:His versatility and height is the only reason VH3 is a much better football player.
VH is 3" shorter and is only suited for the nickel in the pros because he's 175 lbs and skinny. Ramsey is ready to play any of the 5 backfield positions tomorrow if need be.
Quote:Just watching cut ups of Ramsey...guy has really average ball tracking skills. VH3 has good hands, instincts, and plays the ball while in the air so much better than Ramsey.
I'm curious if VH3 could play some FS...or line up all around? Any Gator fans know?
Ramsey has better size and length something scouts drool over, plus he can play CB and S, but as a CB VH3 is a much better prospect
Quote:VH is 3" shorter and is only suited for the nickel in the pros because he's 175 lbs and skinny. Ramsey is ready to play any of the 5 backfield positions tomorrow if need be.
Lol VH3 is not 175 ibs and is not skinny
Yea look at that skinny dude
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199 pounds by most sites.
Quote:Ramsey has better size and length something scouts drool over, plus he can play CB and S, but as a CB VH3 is a much better prospect
Lol VH3 is not 175 ibs and is not skinny
Yea look at that skinny dude
Ramsey does have better size and length but his ball skills are terrible. His versatility seems overrated.
They look for corners to beat recievers up at the line of scrimmnage with their length and strength.
Quote:They look for corners to beat recievers up at the line of scrimmnage with their length and strength.
Sure, he does that and still gets beat when the ball is in the air.
Quote:VH is 3" shorter and is only suited for the nickel in the pros because he's 175 lbs and skinny. Ramsey is ready to play any of the 5 backfield positions tomorrow if need be.
Jason Verrett has thrown the notion that short corners can't play at a high level in the NFL out of the window. The combination of twitch, long speed, ball skills, and elite jumping ability more than makes up for not having Richard Sherman's height or length.
Quote:Jason Verrett has thrown the notion that short corners can't play at a high level in the NFL out of the window. The combination of twitch, long speed, ball skills, and elite jumping ability more than makes up for not having Richard Sherman's height or length.
People keep thowing around that VH3 is short but his height and weight is the same as Darrelle Revis and I bet his combine numbers will be similar, 4.38 40 time
Quote:People keep thowing around that VH3 is short but his height and weight is the same as Darrelle Revis and I bet his combine numbers will be similar, 4.38 40 time
Revis was 5' 11 1/2'' and 204 at the combine. It's entirely possible that VH3 is 5' 10'' and 185...or less. That's not similar.
I never saw Jalen Ramsey make those wow plays that I saw Hargreaves make. He just didnt stick out on the field as much and at times I forgot he was out there.I assure you teams knew Hargreaves was out there. I'm not a real big size guy, and if a guy can hang with recievers and does his job incredibly well there is something to be said. Hargreaves had more PD and INT than Ramsey. Yes Ramsey can play FS in our system but at corner Hargreaves is just a better player and Id be shocked if he comes into the combine smaller that 5'11 190. Here is Hargreaves and Treadwell and Treadwell is a claimed 6'3".
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Hes not, at safety yes but not corner
I'll give you a few reasons Ramsey is higher than VH3:
1. Size - Ramsey has better size. - VH3 only 5'11" 190 lbs, maybe even less.
2. Strength - Ramsey is incredibly strong, especially when compared against Hargreaves. Often while playing corner, Ramsey would press a receiver completely off the field.
3. Overall athletic ability - Expect Ramsey to blow up the combine.
4. Tackling - This one is a no-brainer. Ramsey is a much better tackler. VH3 may be one of the worst tacklers in this defensive back class.
5. Better stats this year - VH3 allowed 16.5 yards per completion this season. Not only is this significantly more than the "top guys" Ramsey, Apple, and Alexander, it is worse than most defensive back prospects. Ramsey also gave up a lower completion percentage to wide receivers.
Then again, I can give you reasons he shouldn't be: Ball skills, inability to find the ball in the air, less fluidity in the hips... He reminds me of an Eric Berry type safety. Berry could play both safety and cornerback in college, he is a moveable chess piece on a defense, his strength against the run and ability to cover big bodies 1-on-1 make him an elite safety, but I don't see him being able to cover guys like Julio Jones or Antonio Brown. Same with Ramsey. But then again, Hargreaves "real niche" on a defense isn't an outside corner either; he is much better suited for a starting slot corner.
Quote:Sure, he does that and still gets beat when the ball is in the air.
I havent studdied him at length. If he doesnt have ball skills then hes not a top 5 corner. I just dont know