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Quote:Just a Thought

Quote:Just a Thought

You should probably stop thinking then because it's pretty obvious it's not in your wheel house.

Is there another Allen Robinson somewhere that I don't know about, or is the OP talking about Jaguars' Pro Bowl WR Allen Robinson?

 

Our first Pro Bowl WR and first 1000 yard WR since Jimmy Smith....THAT Allen Robinson?  Bortles most consistent receiver...THAT Allen Robinson?

 

The one we traded up in the draft to get...THAT Allen Robinson?!?

 

In the aftermath of more than a decade of failure at the WR spot including, but not limited to...

 

R Jay Soward

Reggie Williams

Matt Jones

Justin Blackmon

Jerry Porter

Dennis Northcutt

 

the OP seriously thought about getting a productive, potentially dominant WR (HOF WR Michael Irvin actually compared Robinson to himself) and moving him to FS?!?

 

Please tell me I have missed some crucial information here.

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Please tell me I have missed some crucial information here.

 

I think the blood/alcohol level of the OP at 5:24 yesterday is the only info that's missing. But I have a pretty good guess....

Quote:Drinking early huh?

I was. But uhhh, it made sense at the time. I just thought about myself. 6'4 240 supremely athletic and very fast for my size. At 38 yrs old, I be killin it at safety in flag. Against yung beaus at that. So I was just thinking...


... Everybody grows up playing both sides of the ball. Why not let our 6'3 215 ProBowler of a fast rangy receiver play safety. I really dont understand why the idea is so far fetched. Dion was a supremely talented, great athlete, who played iron nan football on the grid iron. In fact he was not only a shut down corner, a very prolific wide receiver but also a duel return man and was great at that.


So why cant ARob play safety? Im pretty sure he'd lead the league in picks

Quote:Where did you get this silly idea from?

I dont know. Just from like, playing football. lol!!!! Oh my gosh! These responses are funny. Has no one on this board played football. lol

I wonder if Dion was a probowler.

Quote:I was. But uhhh, it made sense at the time. I just thought about myself. 6'4 240 supremely athletic and very fast for my size. At 38 yrs old, I be killin it at safety in flag. Against yung beaus at that. So I was just thinking...


... Everybody grows up playing both sides of the ball. Why not let our 6'3 215 ProBowler of a fast rangy receiver play safety. I really dont understand why the idea is so far fetched. Dion was a supremely talented, great athlete, who played iron nan football on the grid iron. In fact he was not only a shut down corner, a very prolific wide receiver but also a duel return man and was great at that.


So why cant ARob play safety? Im pretty sure he'd lead the league in picks

 

A 'very prolific wide receiver'?  So 60 career receptions for 784 yards is very prolific?  Not to mention, 36 of those came in 1996 and his high after that in a year was 7.  Very prolific? (which by the way is redundant)

Quote:I dont know. Just from like, playing football. lol!!!! Oh my gosh! These responses are funny. Has no one on this board played football. lol

 

Quote:I was. But uhhh, it made sense at the time. I just thought about myself. 6'4 240 supremely athletic and very fast for my size. At 38 yrs old, I be killin it at safety in flag. Against yung beaus at that. So I was just thinking...


... Everybody grows up playing both sides of the ball. Why not let our 6'3 215 ProBowler of a fast rangy receiver play safety. I really dont understand why the idea is so far fetched. Dion was a supremely talented, great athlete, who played iron nan football on the grid iron. In fact he was not only a shut down corner, a very prolific wide receiver but also a duel return man and was great at that.


So why cant ARob play safety? Im pretty sure he'd lead the league in picks

 

I enjoyed this post. ^ And Deion Sanders is both a good example and bad example at the same time, but I think your candor deserves a real answer - so here it is:

 

Robinson is too valuable to this team as a receiver.  There is a reason why players don't play both sides of the ball anymore in the NFL.  They are more competitive at their greater skill set when they aren't burning energy at another position. I understand why it makes sense as a concept - but the NFL moved on from it for a reason. 

Quote:I enjoyed this post. ^ And Deion Sanders is both a good example and bad example at the same time, but I think your candor deserves a real answer - so here it is:

 

Robinson is too valuable to this team as a receiver.  There is a reason why players don't play both sides of the ball anymore in the NFL.  They are more competitive at their greater skill set when they aren't burning energy at another position. I understand why it makes sense as a concept - but the NFL moved on from it for a reason. 

 

My other question would be, has there been a modern-day player whose primary position was on offense that also played significant snaps on defense?  The only examples that I can think of are DBs dabbling at WR.

Quote:My other question would be, has there been a modern-day player whose primary position was on offense that also played significant snaps on defense?  The only examples that I can think of are DBs dabbling at WR.

 

True. 

 

I can't think of one. 

Quote:I was. But uhhh, it made sense at the time. I just thought about myself. 6'4 240 supremely athletic and very fast for my size. At 38 yrs old, I be killin it at safety in flag. Against yung beaus at that. So I was just thinking...

... Everybody grows up playing both sides of the ball. Why not let our 6'3 215 ProBowler of a fast rangy receiver play safety. I really dont understand why the idea is so far fetched. Dion was a supremely talented, great athlete, who played iron nan football on the grid iron. In fact he was not only a shut down corner, a very prolific wide receiver but also a duel return man and was great at that.


So why cant ARob play safety? Im pretty sure he'd lead the league in picks

It's far fetched because very few players on the NFL level play both ways for a reason.

 

Deion Sanders was a world class athlete with unreal speed.  Even with that, he didn't play both ways very long.  He played WR on a situational basis in Dallas-back when Dallas was a Super Bowl team.  He was not a prolific WR.  They did it because after Alvin Harper left in free agency, they really did not have a reliable WR opposite Irvin.

 

  http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...hing::none

 

Long ago...there was a guy named Roy Green who played for the Cardinals.  He started out as a DB, played both ways for a bit, then transitioned over to WR.  He, too had world class speed.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...eeRo01.htm

 

New England recently had Troy Brown, who spent most of his time as a one way player at WR, until late in his career, injuries forced him to play on defense.

 

The Texans have, on occasion, played J.J. Watt as a TE.  But he's not a starter at BOTH positions, even though he even played TE at one point during his career.  The overwhelming majority of his snaps are at DL.

 

But that is very very rare and it isn't sustained for very long. 

 

Allen Robinson, while a good athlete and an outstanding WR, is nowhere near the athlete in terms of speed, that Deion Sanders and Roy Green were.

 

Beyond that, the amount of training and technique at the NFL level is such that, even if you were to switch him, it would take a long time to become proficient at it, and you diminish his worth as a DB and a WR in the interim.

 

At the end of the day, moving him to FS is not at all worth the risk or effort, or cost to the offense and Bortles' development.

Quote:I enjoyed this post. ^ And Deion Sanders is both a good example and bad example at the same time, but I think your candor deserves a real answer - so here it is:


Robinson is too valuable to this team as a receiver. There is a reason why players don't play both sides of the ball anymore in the NFL. They are more competitive at their greater skill set when they aren't burning energy at another position. I understand why it makes sense as a concept - but the NFL moved on from it for a reason.

Good points. Robinson did say that he still feels great at season's end. He can muster being thrown in when throwing out our "lightning" package. Special situations maybe. I can understand some of the simple logic in retort, but I still think it would be ok. It'd be fine. It'd be a plus.

Quote:True.


I can't think of one.

Cromartie

Quote:A 'very prolific wide receiver'? So 60 career receptions for 784 yards is very prolific? Not to mention, 36 of those came in 1996 and his high after that in a year was 7. Very prolific? (which by the way is redundant)

ok. QUITE the prolific

Quote:It's far fetched because very few players on the NFL level play both ways for a reason.


Deion Sanders was a world class athlete with unreal speed. Even with that, he didn't play both ways very long. He played WR on a situational basis in Dallas-back when Dallas was a Super Bowl team. He was not a prolific WR. They did it because after Alvin Harper left in free agency, they really did not have a reliable WR opposite Irvin.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SandDe00.htm#receiving_and_rushing::none'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SandDe00.htm#receiving_and_rushing::none</a>


Long ago...there was a guy named Roy Green who played for the Cardinals. He started out as a DB, played both ways for a bit, then transitioned over to WR. He, too had world class speed.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GreeRo01.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GreeRo01.htm</a>


New England recently had Troy Brown, who spent most of his time as a one way player at WR, until late in his career, injuries forced him to play on defense.


The Texans have, on occasion, played J.J. Watt as a TE. But he's not a starter at BOTH positions, even though he even played TE at one point during his career. The overwhelming majority of his snaps are at DL.


But that is very very rare and it isn't sustained for very long.


Allen Robinson, while a good athlete and an outstanding WR, is nowhere near the athlete in terms of speed, that Deion Sanders and Roy Green were.


Beyond that, the amount of training and technique at the NFL level is such that, even if you were to switch him, it would take a long time to become proficient at it, and you diminish his worth as a DB and a WR in the interim.


At the end of the day, moving him to FS is not at all worth the risk or effort, or cost to the offense and Bortles' development.

Ok. I can get with this thinking. Helps it make sense as to why it wouldnt be a good idea. And I did need help seeing "hey, why not". Cause while yesterday I was drunk with epiphany, today I still looked back at the idea like, hmmmmm...

only reason I looked at this thread was for what I was hoping for, would be some great comments. I wasn't disappointed.

David Lamm could take his place at WR..........

Quote:David Lamm could take his place at WR..........

I bet he'd catch the football with his mouth..