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I'm all for new energies.  The technology is there.

Mike Moore is an idiot.

Quote:Sidenote: Fracking in FL just passed. Guess we're gonna let ourselves fall further behind on renewable energy, but with any luck, we'll be able to taint in-state water supplies by this time next year.

 

As much as I make fun of the global warming agenda, I do not like this.

 

It's my opinion that we are stuck in the oil age because the oil companies have control and therefore the power to resist new technologies that would make oil tech obsolete.

 

And if you think Democrats are really the "green" party, you might want to look at their investments.

Quote:Sidenote: Fracking in FL just passed. Guess we're gonna let ourselves fall further behind on renewable energy, but with any luck, we'll be able to taint in-state water supplies by this time next year.

As a former resident of NE Colorado, fracking central, I feel for you guys. Anyone who says that pumping hydraulic fluid into the ground doesn't mess with your drinking water is either an idiot or employed by the oil companies.

 

How are they planning to frack the Florida Aquifer, exactly?

 

Quote:As much as I make fun of the global warming agenda, I do not like this.

 

It's my opinion that we are stuck in the oil age because the oil companies have control and therefore the power to resist new technologies that would make oil tech obsolete.

 

And if you think Democrats are really the "green" party, you might want to look at their investments.

^This.

 

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Quote:As much as I make fun of the global warming agenda, I do not like this.

 

It's my opinion that we are stuck in the oil age because the oil companies have control and therefore the power to resist new technologies that would make oil tech obsolete.

 

And if you think Democrats are really the "green" party, you might want to look at their investments.

 

We're "stuck" in the oil age because it's cheap, plentiful, and effective. If you want us out of the oil age just go create a replacement energy source that is better at those three factors, that's all you have to do.

Quote:We're "stuck" in the oil age because it's cheap, plentiful, and effective. If you want us out of the oil age just go create a replacement energy source that is better at those three factors, that's all you have to do.

 

It's cheap and easy because the equipment to extract it already exists.  Engineers have already shown that alternative forms of energy are possible.  Things such as bio-diesel can be grown from a plant.  The only difference between new energies and the current fossil fuels is investment.

 

Here's my problem: things like water contamination are an afterthought in the name of the Almighty dollar.  It's the wrong way to look at things.  Money should not be God, although it is.  But hey, these corporate big wigs are not going to be drinking that water, so why should they care?

 

It's possible to move on from these age old fuels.  At the same time I know it is impossible until such a time when these resources become less plentiful.  At which point, I guarantee alternatives will begin to be introduced in mass, and it wont be because the technology isn't already possible.

Quote:It's cheap and easy because the equipment to extract it already exists.  Engineers have already showed that alternative forms of energy are possible.  Things such as bio-diesel can be grown from a plant.  The only difference between new energies and the current fossil fuels is investment.

 

Here's my problem: things like water contamination are an afterthought in the name of the Almighty dollar.  It's the wrong way to look at things.  Money should not be God, although it is.  But hey, these corporate big wigs are not going to be drinking that water, so why should they care?

 

Bio-fuels are a bigger problem than it's worth.  Ask yourself a few questions.

 

1.  Is it more important for society for a farmer to grow corn for consumption, animal feed or fuel?

 

2.  Take corn as an example.  Is it more profitable to grow for consumption, animal feed or fuel?

 

We have bio-fuel right now in the form of ethanol which is very bad for many engines.  It serves no useful purpose whatsoever, yet it's forced on us.

Quote:Bio-fuels are a bigger problem than it's worth.  Ask yourself a few questions.

 

1.  Is it more important for society for a farmer to grow corn for consumption, animal feed or fuel?

 

2.  Take corn as an example.  Is it more profitable to grow for consumption, animal feed or fuel?

 

We have bio-fuel right now in the form of ethanol which is very bad for many engines.  It serves no useful purpose whatsoever, yet it's forced on us.

 

The current engines are designed to run on gasoline, so it's no wonder why bio-diesels dont work too great with them.  With that said, you can run a diesel engine on used vegetable oil.  I would imagine a diesel engine built to run on bio fuel from the ground up would work even better.

 

What seems important to society in the short term, allowing fracking to create jobs, make money, ect. might seem like a good idea.  Until water is contaminated and it was no longer a good idea.  Too late.

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It's my opinion that we are stuck in the oil age because the oil companies have control and therefore the power to resist new technologies that would make oil tech obsolete.

 

 

This is not opinion. This is fact.

Quote:Bio-fuels are a bigger problem than it's worth.

Are you serious? If for no other reason, think about how strong a United States that's completely free of a dependence on foreign oil would be on the world stage, particularly if other nations are still reliant upon it.

Quote:Are you serious? If for no other reason, think about how strong a United States that's completely free of a dependence on foreign oil would be on the world stage, particularly if other nations are still reliant upon it.

We could be free of it now, buying it is the most economic way to meet our needs. Particularly when foreign supplies run out and we still have ours in the ground.

For Florida the main answer should be solar.  Germany is a leader in solar but their latitude is not efficient for generating solar. 

Quote:Bio-fuels are a bigger problem than it's worth.  Ask yourself a few questions.

 

1.  Is it more important for society for a farmer to grow corn for consumption, animal feed or fuel?

 

2.  Take corn as an example.  Is it more profitable to grow for consumption, animal feed or fuel?

 

We have bio-fuel right now in the form of ethanol which is very bad for many engines.  It serves no useful purpose whatsoever, yet it's forced on us.

 

As with all things, it eventually ends up at corn.

Quote:We could be free of it now, buying it is the most economic way to meet our needs. Particularly when foreign supplies run out and we still have ours in the ground.

 

That's the only reason I can accept that explains it in a way that helps us. Otherwise, I don't see a purpose, and I'd rather be independent from these other countries. Admittedly, I don't know how much is left around the world, but I'd like to believe that we would have become more efficient or have a new source before it gets close.

Quote:As with all things, it eventually ends up at corn.

Not true. Some things end up at blank #2.

Quote:That's the only reason I can accept that explains it in a way that helps us. Otherwise, I don't see a purpose, and I'd rather be independent from these other countries. Admittedly, I don't know how much is left around the world, but I'd like to believe that we would have become more efficient or have a new source before it gets close.

Neither of us have to worry about it being close. We have hundreds of years of fossil fuels yet.

Quote:For Florida the main answer should be solar.  Germany is a leader in solar but their latitude is not efficient for generating solar. 

 

They're really good at building solar farms. But actually using them ... ???


 

Quote:Are you serious? If for no other reason, think about how strong a United States that's completely free of a dependence on foreign oil would be on the world stage, particularly if other nations are still reliant upon it.

 

We don't "depend" on foreign oil.  That's exactly why the OPEC countries have been flooding the market bringing oil prices and gas prices down.

 

The current "bio-fuel" (ethanol) forced on us is damaging and more costly to the end-user, plus it's not as efficient as regular refined oil (gasoline).

 

As far as using a bio-fuel in a diesel engine, that's a whole other thing.  A diesel engine works differently than a gasoline engine, especially when it comes to a two stroke engine commonly found in yard tools, boat motors, etc.

 

A diesel engine makes sense when it comes to vehicles or construction equipment, but it doesn't make sense for common tools used by most homeowners and work industries.

 

Here is another thing to consider.  How about converting to natural gas rather than coal in some power plants?  What about using natural gas for vehicles?  We have an abundance of it, and most of it gets wasted.

Quote:For Florida the main answer should be solar.  Germany is a leader in solar but their latitude is not efficient for generating solar. 

 

Solar is not a very good source of power.  It is a supplement at best.  The other problem with solar power (or wind/hydro power) is the energy produced must be stored somehow or is lost.  This introduces the need for batteries.

Quote:Here is another thing to consider.  How about converting to natural gas rather than coal in some power plants?  What about using natural gas for vehicles?  We have an abundance of it, and most of it gets wasted.

I love natural gas and the advantages it offers, but I will never support any means of procuring it that involves fracking.