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We better get both in FA and in the draft 

Quote:Bosa is not worth trading up for. There's a good chance he's there when we pick and there's a good chance we pass.

There is a chance but a slim chance.  If Bosa is there when we pick i think there is a maybe 1% chance we pass unless he checks out negative at the combine or has a poor showing at the combine.

Id trade back and get a few draft picks and draft noah spence.

Quote:Id trade back and get a few draft picks and draft noah spence.

I like the idea of him and Fowler off the edge

Quote:There is a chance but a slim chance.  If Bosa is there when we pick i think there is a maybe 1% chance we pass unless he checks out negative at the combine or has a poor showing at the combine.

There is a very good chance. The Titans are either trading out or taking Tunsil, and whoever trades with them is taking a QB. Cleveland is taking a QB. San Diego is  a 3-4 team and Bosa does not fit in a 3-4. Dallas is the only team in the top 4 that would be a fit for Bosa and they are just as likely to take a QB as they are any other position, that's on top of the fact Bosa would have to grade out higher on their board than Jack and maybe Ramsey and it's no guarantee that will happen either.

 

As for us, while we technically could be a fit, Bosa is not the ideal LEO. He is slow and is a bull rusher. He does not bend the edge that well. And unlike Fowler he is not the type of versatile where you can move him all over the front 7 and have him rush. His best, and maybe only full time, position is a traditional 4-3 end and only a couple teams in the league use those anymore. I think he is way overrated by the internet draft community. He is more like a good/solid prospect than a great one. He is a decent pass rusher and plays the run well but nothing about him ensures that he will be a special talent and make multiple probowl and All-Pro selections. I see him dropping like Williams last year. 

Denver beat the Pats because of their rush, not their DBs.

Quote:There is a very good chance. The Titans are either trading out or taking Tunsil, and whoever trades with them is taking a QB. Cleveland is taking a QB. San Diego is  a 3-4 team and Bosa does not fit in a 3-4. Dallas is the only team in the top 4 that would be a fit for Bosa and they are just as likely to take a QB as they are any other position, that's on top of the fact Bosa would have to grade out higher on their board than Jack and maybe Ramsey and it's no guarantee that will happen either.

 

As for us, while we technically could be a fit, Bosa is not the ideal LEO. He is slow and is a bull rusher. He does not bend the edge that well. And unlike Fowler he is not the type of versatile where you can move him all over the front 7 and have him rush. His best, and maybe only full time, position is a traditional 4-3 end and only a couple teams in the league use those anymore. I think he is way overrated by the internet draft community. He is more like a good/solid prospect than a great one. He is a decent pass rusher and plays the run well but nothing about him ensures that he will be a special talent and make multiple probowl and All-Pro selections. I see him dropping like Williams last year. 

I agree his best fit is a 4-3 but he is one of the top prospects in this draft and most teams that have good coaches find a fit for great players and even if it dont work out the will give it a shot.  Look at Clowney, he is a 4-3 end but Houston runs a 3-4 defense which im sure you probably didnt know.  Same think with Mario Williams in Houston and Buffalo who went to a 3-4 where Williams is a 4-3 RDE but put him at OLB.  And to say Bosa is not the ideal leo I dont think Wash cares about the ideal leo crap.  You take the BPA and Bosa would be it if he is sitting there at our pick.  Never heard anyone say he is a great prospect but if he is sitting there when we pick he will probably be the BPA and one of our biggest needs and sure Dave will take him.

Quote:Denver beat the Pats because of their rush, not their DBs.

Yes. I honestly wouldn't be upset at drafting 8 defensive lineman. It will make the entire defense better.

Quote:There isn't a pass rusher worth the #5 pick in my opinion. Maybe Bosa but I'm wary.

 

Why don't you think Joey Bosa is a top 5 talent?

Quote:Denver beat the Pats because of their rush, not their DBs.

This seems to be the perpetual theme. Denver and Carolina have excellent passrushers.

Quote:This seems to be the perpetual theme. Denver and Carolina have excellent passrushers.

They certainly do. But both teams have excellent overall defensives

Quote:This seems to be the perpetual theme. Denver and Carolina have excellent passrushers.

Guess what DB intercepted Brady today to help his team beat the New England Pats...?


Sherman? Revis? Norman? Berry? Peterson?


Nope. It was Stewart. Damian Stewart. Because Brady was being pressured, hit, sacked by Von Miller and Demarcus Ware.

Quote:Guess what DB intercepted Brady today to help his team beat the New England Pats...?Talib blankets his guy so not many balls thrown his way. As well as Harris Jr.


Sherman? Revis? Norman? Berry? Peterson?


Nope. It was Stewart. Damian Stewart. Because Brady was being pressured, hit, sacked by Von Miller and Demarcus Ware.

Quote:Guess what DB intercepted Brady today to help his team beat the New England Pats...?


Sherman? Revis? Norman? Berry? Peterson?


Nope. It was Stewart. Damian Stewart. Because Brady was being pressured, hit, sacked by Von Miller and Demarcus Ware.

Great point and great post!!

Quote:Yes. I honestly wouldn't be upset at drafting 8 defensive lineman. It will make the entire defense better.

Don't remember our lines winning the LOS, other than maybe the Clots game. So I'd be ok with 8 selections of fattys. 6 DL and 2 OL.


I'd expect a DB in the first round though.... unless Bosa falls.

What's up with ol' DJ's mock having us taking DeForest Buckner over Ramsey

 

hahahahahah

I think if anything, Wash will choose not to use the 5th pick on pass rush because he values the D line players as he was close with them. I also think when you have a FS ranked as high as Ramsey is(which is very rare), you take him. Not Weddle. Weddle is a short term fix on the decline of his career, that's not what you want. Get your guy. Address pass rush in FA and later rounds.

Quote:I think if anything, Wash will choose not to use the 5th pick on pass rush because he values the D line players as he was close with them. I also think when you have a FS ranked as high as Ramsey is(which is very rare), you take him. Not Weddle. Weddle is a short term fix on the decline of his career, that's not what you want. Get your guy. Address pass rush in FA and later rounds.

I'm sure he values his job more than player opinions.

Quote:I think if anything, Wash will choose not to use the 5th pick on pass rush because he values the D line players as he was close with them. I also think when you have a FS ranked as high as Ramsey is(which is very rare), you take him. Not Weddle. Weddle is a short term fix on the decline of his career, that's not what you want. Get your guy. Address pass rush in FA and later rounds.

My dream scenario would be to draft Sign Weddle and still draft Ramsey and play him at the second CB slot. Then when Weddle leaves we have our future free safety and would have drafted more corners by this time. We have to address FS in FA as well. We can't be that team hoping to get him only to get leap frogged and someone else take him then we are left with nothing.

Quote:There is a very good chance. The Titans are either trading out or taking Tunsil, and whoever trades with them is taking a QB. Cleveland is taking a QB. San Diego is  a 3-4 team and Bosa does not fit in a 3-4. Dallas is the only team in the top 4 that would be a fit for Bosa and they are just as likely to take a QB as they are any other position, that's on top of the fact Bosa would have to grade out higher on their board than Jack and maybe Ramsey and it's no guarantee that will happen either.

 

As for us, while we technically could be a fit, Bosa is not the ideal LEO. He is slow and is a bull rusher. He does not bend the edge that well. And unlike Fowler he is not the type of versatile where you can move him all over the front 7 and have him rush. His best, and maybe only full time, position is a traditional 4-3 end and only a couple teams in the league use those anymore. I think he is way overrated by the internet draft community. He is more like a good/solid prospect than a great one. He is a decent pass rusher and plays the run well but nothing about him ensures that he will be a special talent and make multiple probowl and All-Pro selections. I see him dropping like Williams last year. 

 

If you take Joey Bosa, you play him at the 5T. Jared Odrik is capable of playing the 3T, which would keep Marks fresh for 3rd downs (which is where Caldwell says they value Marks the most).

 

If you sign Vernon and draft Bosa, you should be set on the D-Line. If we could get a D that causes pressure like Denver, Carolina, Houston, etc. and combine in with our offense, you have a playoff team. A rotation of Vernon, Bosa, Fowler, Odrik, Marks, Miller, and Davis could be beastly. Could you imagine Bosa bull rushing the RT with Fowler rushing from off his hip, and having Vernon and Marks/Odrik coming from the other side?

 

Dave could then sign a FA FS/CB and then draft the other spot in the 2nd round.