Quote:I think some of you are probably reading a lot more into the extension talk than was actually intended. Shocker.
The odds of Gus getting an extension before the start of next season are about the same as Bklyn posting something thought provoking.
Seriously. even the most staunch Gus supporter knows that an extension is no where in the realm of possibility.
Nobody should worry about him getting an extension.
Unless he somehow makes soft serve out of a soft turd at the senior bowl, that is... hey yoooooooo!
Quote:Seriously. even the most staunch Gus supporter knows that an extension is no where in the realm of possibility.
Nobody should worry about him getting an extension.
Unless he somehow makes soft serve out of a soft turd at the senior bowl, that is... hey yoooooooo!
It wouldn't be out of the question. Especially if David takes a cue from Shad and jumps in front of the issue.
Lots of people here think Gus is a bad football coach.
It might just be the case that Caldwell knows better. He might be of the opinion that Gus is who he thought he was when he hired him. David might take ownership of the state of the defensive side of the roster. He, of course, is in a very unique position to make that kind of assessment.
If he is of the opinion that Gus is still the man for the job, why not extend him now? Why wait until we are coming off a playoff run and his agent demands more? Why not get him locked in now for bottom dollars?
David knows what hand he dealt Gus once Fowler and Marks went out. He's not looking to scapegoat anyone.
I don't think it's out of the question at all.
Quote:It wouldn't be out of the question. Especially if David takes a cue from Shad and jumps in front of the issue.
Lots of people here think Gus is a bad football coach.
It might just be the case that Caldwell knows better. He might be of the opinion that Gus is who he thought he was when he hired him. David might take ownership of the state of the defensive side of the roster. He, of course, is in a very unique position to make that kind of assessment.
If he is of the opinion that Gus is still the man for the job, why not extend him now? Why wait until we are coming off a playoff run and his agent demands more? Why not get him locked in now for bottom dollars?
David knows what hand he dealt Gus once Fowler and Marks went out. He's not looking to scapegoat anyone.
I don't think it's out of the question at all.
Not to mention they can still fire him if things don't go as expected...
It seems Caldwell basically ignored the first two seasons because of the deep roster cuts and limited expectations with UDFA, and rookies, in starting positions and basically have a bunch of guys just thrown together to get enough people to make a team. So an extension could be saying the first 2 years didn't really count, so this year, next year, and the extension year is all ya got to make this team good
First off, You guys are acting like an extension would change the ultimatum for next year. If by some chance it happens, It wouldn't mean crap. If Bradley doesn't get the Jags into the playoffs next year, Hes likely gone as I believe this roster is playoff ready (Not to go deep, But to get there) with Fowler/Marks coming back 100%. I could see the benefits of extending bradley this offseason to instill confidence in potential defensive coordinator prospects. With that also said, I don't believe he deserves one at all but he could after 2016. Lets see what happens.
TLDR: With or Without extension, Bradleys job still depends on playoff eligibility next year.
I'd extend Gus and fire him 5 games into 2016 rather than making him coach in a lame duck year like Del Rio a few seasons ago.
That would affect DC candidates as well.
Quote:First off, You guys are acting like an extension would change the ultimatum for next year. If by some chance it happens, It wouldn't mean crap. If Bradley doesn't get the Jags into the playoffs next year, Hes likely gone as I believe this roster is playoff ready (Not to go deep, But to get there) with Fowler/Marks coming back 100%. I could see the benefits of extending bradley this offseason to instill confidence in potential defensive coordinator prospects. With that also said, I don't believe he deserves one at all but he could after 2016. Lets see what happens.
TLDR: With or Without extension, Bradleys job still depends on playoff eligibility next year.
Who told you that? Neither Khan or Caldwell said any such thing...The only ones who have mentioned this are on this very board but they have no idea what Khan and Caldwell meant by their comments
Quote:Who told you that? Neither Khan or Caldwell said any such thing...The only ones who have mentioned this are on this very board but they have no idea what Khan and Caldwell meant by their comments
Wait, you mean they I should NOT believe posts on the board?
Gus Extension and no improvement next year would make for great fun conspiracies.
Quote:Wait, you mean they I should NOT believe posts on the board?
well only yours and mine and a few others
Quote:Not to mention they can still fire him if things don't go as expected...
It seems Caldwell basically ignored the first two seasons because of the deep roster cuts and limited expectations with UDFA, and rookies, in starting positions and basically have a bunch of guys just thrown together to get enough people to make a team. So an extension could be saying the first 2 years didn't really count, so this year, next year, and the extension year is all ya got to make this team good
Bwahaha
"Alright Gus. You got 2015, 16 and 17 to make this work. 13 and 14? Naaaah... Don't worry about those. Wins? Ha. We don't care about wins around here. Just compete man. You know the drill"
That's might be the biggest loser mentality I've ever heard. This upcoming season is all about wins. He doesn't win. He's gone. He should have won the division this year with the way it played it out but low and behold, the team underachieved. Injuries you might say? Yea... Colts lost Luck. Biggest injury in our division. Texans lost Hoyer for some games and Foster for pretty much the whole season.
Gus is coming back so we all must deal. So far he's shown nothing that makes him a good coach. This season he's gotta prove to Khan that he can actually win because ultimately, it's about winning. Not just competing, which so many think is the goal.
Quote:Bwahaha
"Alright Gus. You got 2015, 16 and 17 to make this work. 13 and 14? Naaaah... Don't worry about those. Wins? Ha. We don't care about wins around here. Just compete man. You know the drill"
That's might be the biggest loser mentality I've ever heard. This upcoming season is all about wins. He doesn't win. He's gone. He should have won the division this year with the way it played it out but low and behold, the team underachieved. Injuries you might say? Yea... Colts lost Luck. Biggest injury in our division. Texans lost Hoyer for some games and Foster for pretty much the whole season.
Gus is coming back so we all must deal. So far he's shown nothing that makes him a good coach. This season he's gotta prove to Khan that he can actually win because ultimately, it's about winning. Not just competing, which so many think is the goal.
It makes me wonder, if Shad and Dave didn't consider 2013 and 2014 to count, then why didn't they give Gus a five or six year contract from the start? Why only give him two years to make it work? Considered that way it's obviously just a horrifically poor excuse by Dave that Gus has done so poorly, and unless Shad considers them inextricably linked he probably should have thrown Gus under the Gus Bus and looked to get a real coach in the building to make sure his drafts don't end up helping out the next GM and coach.
Quote:Bwahaha
"Alright Gus. You got 2015, 16 and 17 to make this work. 13 and 14? Naaaah... Don't worry about those. Wins? Ha. We don't care about wins around here. Just compete man. You know the drill"
That's might be the biggest loser mentality I've ever heard. This upcoming season is all about wins. He doesn't win. He's gone. He should have won the division this year with the way it played it out but low and behold, the team underachieved.
Injuries you might say? Yea... Colts lost Luck. Biggest injury in our division. Texans lost Hoyer for some games and Foster for pretty much the whole season.
Gus is coming back so we all must deal. So far he's shown nothing that makes him a good coach. This season he's gotta prove to Khan that he can actually win because ultimately, it's about winning. Not just competing, which so many think is the goal.
Mr Khan apparently disagrees with you or he would have been gone already... Caldwell basically said the first two years don't count so take it however you want
Quote:Mr Khan apparently disagrees with you or he would have been gone already... Caldwell basically said the first two years don't count so take it however you want
I doubt he disagrees. I don't think he believes this year was a success. Probably just a step in the right direction.
However I think this team had every chance to win an extremely weak division just like the Redskins did. Cousins played the best ball in the division and they won. Bortles plays the best ball in the AFC south and we come in 3rd....
Quote:I doubt he disagrees. I don't think he believes this year was a success. Probably just a step in the right direction.
However I think this team had every chance to win an extremely weak division just like the Redskins did. Cousins played the best ball in the division and they won. Bortles plays the best ball in the AFC south and we come in 3rd....
Bortles might have played the best ball in the AFC South, but our Defense was arguably the worst in the entire NFL. Doesn't really matter if your QB scores 39 points, when your defense gives up 42.
Quote:I doubt he disagrees. I don't think he believes this year was a success. Probably just a step in the right direction.
However I think this team had every chance to win an extremely weak division just like the Redskins did. Cousins played the best ball in the division and they won. Bortles plays the best ball in the AFC south and we come in 3rd....
he said he has seen improvement and expects significant improvement next year...caldwell said he believes they are just about right where they expected them to be for the most part...no one is calling this year as a success but it's not a failure either...They did piss away a chance at the divisional title, and lose a couple games they should have won, but all teams do that...Even the Pats lose games they should have won...I'm not debating that there were a few miscues and we coulda/shoulda/woulda won another couple of games, but we are quite obviously much better than we were in 2013 when all this started...I believe that is what Khan is looking at as in are we better than we were? The answer is yes and THAT's why Gus is still here
Quote:It makes me wonder, if Shad and Dave didn't consider 2013 and 2014 to count, then why didn't they give Gus a five or six year contract from the start? Why only give him two years to make it work? Considered that way it's obviously just a horrifically poor excuse by Dave that Gus has done so poorly, and unless Shad considers them inextricably linked he probably should have thrown Gus under the Gus Bus and looked to get a real coach in the building to make sure his drafts don't end up helping out the next GM and coach.
They are evaluating this in retrospect.
There is no crystal ball saying what amount of talent can be acquired or how players would develop because there are far too many variables outside of one's control. They are looking back and evaluating the talent he had to work with the first two years and acknowledging that there wasn't enough on the roster to hold him accountable for the results.
They most likely signed him to a 4 year contract thinking they would be able to put together a complete roster a little sooner than what actually happened. They are now looking back and realizing that the building of the roster may not have gone as swiftly as they projected.
Quote:Bortles might have played the best ball in the AFC South, but our Defense was arguably the worst in the entire NFL. Doesn't really matter if your QB scores 39 points, when your defense gives up 42.
2015 Jaguars in a nutshell.
And no, not the Magic Shell ice cream topping kind of nutshell.
Hopefully Gus doesn't get an extension. Great way to remove any hope fans have left.
Dreaming maybe the comment means he is getting fired once the coach they want is available. This keeps the offensive coaches around with no jobs open then.
Quote:First off, You guys are acting like an extension would change the ultimatum for next year. If by some chance it happens, It wouldn't mean crap. If Bradley doesn't get the Jags into the playoffs next year, Hes likely gone as I believe this roster is playoff ready (Not to go deep, But to get there) with Fowler/Marks coming back 100%. I could see the benefits of extending bradley this offseason to instill confidence in potential defensive coordinator prospects. With that also said, I don't believe he deserves one at all but he could after 2016. Lets see what happens.
TLDR: With or Without extension, Bradleys job still depends on playoff eligibility next year.
If that is indeed the case, and I know there are several posters who believe that, the 2016 Jaguars will be playing under a whole lot of pressure to do something they haven't done since 2007.
A young team playing under that kind of pressure, it could get ugly.
The same thing goes for a HC in his 4th year who only averages 4 wins a year.
You are asking him to at least double his average win total to 8, maybe even 9.
A young HC coaching under that kind of pressure, it could get ugly, especially since there doesn't seem to have been any kind of pressure on him so far, at least from what I have seen.
Quote:If that is indeed the case, and I know there are several posters who believe that, the 2016 Jaguars will be playing under a whole lot of pressure to do something they haven't done since 2007.
A young team playing under that kind of pressure, it could get ugly.
The same thing goes for a HC in his 4th year who only averages 4 wins a year.
You are asking him to at least double his average win total to 8, maybe even 9.
A young HC coaching under that kind of pressure, it could get ugly, especially since there doesn't seem to have been any kind of pressure on him so far, at least from what I have seen.
So, ice cream with extra sprinkles all the way down the chain of accountability?