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somebody sneak some steroids in for the Joke

3rd round at best. Not worth it.

Quote:somebody sneak some steroids in for the Joke

 

Hmmmm, this would make him mean and breakout next season. Hmmmmmm...........................

The Jags should stick with Joke, but find an actual starter in his place..

Quote:The Jags should stick with Joke, but find an actual starter in his place..

 

And keep Joke around as a back up, not a bad idea.

Quote:If Gabbert had trade value, Joeckel probably does too.


Ham sammich

Very true lol

Quote:  This would be the way I view the situation from a Jaguars perspective at this time.  

 

   Unless the Jags can upgrade at LT in Free Agency,  which will be difficult,   having Joeckel on the roster during the draft gives Dave Caldwell more draft flexibility.    Even if the Jags draft a LT prospect in the first 2 rounds,  having Joeckel around in 2016 make sense from the standpoint of the rookie LT needing to earn his way into the starting lineup instead of having the job handed to him.

 

 

I agree with this. The Jaguars have had a few seasons where lack of OT depth killed their chances. There are some interesting names out there, but all of them after Cordy Glenn carry injury concerns and may ultimately need to sit out a couple games. It's nice knowing we have at least someone for depth who the team can rally around in a clinch. Sam Young is not that guy.


 

That said, as for his trade value I'm thinking round two. Typically LTs capable of playing well enough in this league are found early in round one. If you look back at OTs taken in round two, very few pan out. At best you're talking about a guy like Joekel. Third round OTs are virtually all backups. At the very least you could easily say that Joekel is a better option than any potential third round OT. With this in mind I'd ask for a 2nd but would take a 3rd, although I'd kind of still rather keep him for depth. No way would I even consider a 4th.

Quote:The Jags should stick with Joke, but find an actual starter in his place..

 

Makes the most sense.

 

A ham sandwich in the hand is better than two in the bush.

Quote:His trade value would not be nearly as high as his value to us as a passable LT. 

Agreed.  Joeckel might land this team at best a 4th round pick based on the perception of his effectiveness.  I find it mildly entertaining that the very people who rip the guy for being a bust the most are the ones chattering about possibly getting a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him in trade.  If the Jags had that kind of offer on the table, they'd take it, and the same people would complain.

Quote:The Jags should stick with Joke, but find an actual starter in his place..

 

Agreed.  I suspect he'll get some viable competition for his job this off season, and if he loses out, then we'll probably consider getting whatever we can in trade for him.  I don't think the team pulls the trigger to unload him unless they have a viable alternative already in that starting slot.

On a good day 4th round

Sheesh.  The second thread today about trading our players.  We're not in any position to be trading away ANY talent.  If he has any trade value, we SHOULDN'T trade him.  

Quote:Agreed.  I suspect he'll get some viable competition for his job this off season, and if he loses out, then we'll probably consider getting whatever we can in trade for him.  I don't think the team pulls the trigger to unload him unless they have a viable alternative already in that starting slot.

 

 

It's simply a reflection of how tough the position is to play. Joekel allows way too much pressure from his LT spot, as would any 3rd round OT and most 2nd round OTs. If I were a team having already made my first and second round picks and I still need a starting LT with Joekel on the table as a possible trade, I very well might consider Joekel my best option. Meanwhile, Joekel would be a better backup LT, with the potential to develop even more as he's still rather young, than anyone a team might find after round three which is why I wouldn't even entertain an offer for a 4th round pick. I'd rather just keep Joekel for depth while bringing in a guy like Kelvin Beachum or Russell Okung to start. It wouldn't even sweat me that these two are somewhat injury prone because I have Joekel for depth just in case.

Quote:It's simply a reflection of how tough the position is to play. Joekel allows way too much pressure from his LT spot, as would any 3rd round OT and most 2nd round OTs. If I were a team having already made my first and second round picks and I still need a starting LT with Joekel on the table as a possible trade, I very well might consider Joekel my best option. Meanwhile, Joekel would be a better backup LT, with the potential to develop even more as he's still rather young, than anyone a team might find after round three which is why I wouldn't even entertain an offer for a 4th round pick. I'd rather just keep Joekel for depth while bringing in a guy like Kelvin Beachum or Russell Okung to start. It wouldn't even sweat me that these two are somewhat injury prone because I have Joekel for depth just in case.

Probably half of the effective linemen in this league weren't 1st rounders.

Quote:Sheesh.  The second thread today about trading our players.  We're not in any position to be trading away ANY talent.  If he has any trade value, we SHOULDN'T trade him.  

 

Think Gabbert, Mike Thomas.

Quote:Think Gabbert, Mike Thomas.

 

We got mid/late round picks for those guys.  That would have been nice a couple years ago but that's getting old.  We're in win-now mode.  Time for depth and competition.   Unless I knew I was trading for another player of more value, I wouldn't trade for any pick.  And I'm assuming teams aren't stupid enough to give up a pick for pure garbage.  My point is if other teams want them, it's more likely than not that we are trading away depth or talent.  But why?  It's not for salary cap reasons.  The only players we should be getting rid of right now should have no trade value whatsoever (which would explain why they are at the very heart of our failures).  Can we trade Branch or Clemons for a mid round pick?  That would be more interesting.      

Quote:I think we could squeeze out a 2nd rounder if Caldwell tried hard enough, but I'm pretty sure no other team is that stupid and we'd end up with a 3rd/4th.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A 2nd rounder? Are you kidding me?  If we get a second rounder for Joeckel, I'll give you everything I own.

Let's resign Joke and give him a signing bonus with a stipulation, if he doesn't give up a single sack or commit a penalty on our best run play of the game, he gets to lie down in the grass at the Bank for every single practice.  Because to me, Joke's favorite dang thing is lying around in the grass after he gets bull rushed.

Luke is pretty bad. He has ok games against bad d ends. Put him against a good one and you're screwed.


No trade value. Period.

Quote:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A 2nd rounder? Are you kidding me?  If we get a second rounder for Joeckel, I'll give you everything I own.

I think we could squeeze out a 2nd rounder if Caldwell tried hard enough, but I'm pretty sure no other team is that stupid and we'd end up with a 3rd/4th.