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Quote:...as you take irrelevancy to new heights.

Obviously a little embarrassed about G bay...

Quote:Same as it ever was.

 

No balls in those mom jeans.

To do what? One sailor apologized admitting it was their mistake...they;'ve been released..but oh yeah,,,big balls pirky would carpet bomb. 

Some people would slash their neighbors tires if they parked one inch on their property....then build a huge wall.  I know, you're mad as hell and aint gonna take it no more. 

Quote:Obviously a little embarrassed about G bay...

 

Quite the contrary. I think Gitmo has served its purpose just fine.

 

How are things on Christmas Island, btw?

As expected, a bunch of comments by people that really have no idea...

 

The sailor "confessing" and "apologizing" is a direct reflection of how our military operates these days under their "leadership".

 

The U.S. is not the superpower that we once were.  During even Desert Storm kids 18-25 overwhelmed the enemy and were victorious without "giving up".  During Vietnam kids from the same age group fought valiantly and never "apologized" when captured (John McCain example).  During WWII kids from the same age group and sometimes younger stormed the beaches of Normandy.  During both the Civil War and the Revolutionary war the soldiers were even younger.

 

Today, these kids (military included) want their "safe zones" and their "political correctness".  They whine and complain if their wifi isn't working good and expect things to be given to them.

 

Those boats should never have been given up, and the assets in the area should have taken care of them.  Instead we make Iran look like they are relevant on the world stage and our president talks about "what he's accomplished" and what he wants to do before leaving office.

Quote:Quite the contrary. I think Gitmo has served its purpose just fine.


How are things on Christmas Island, btw?

A bit of an embarrassing situation to most Aussies. Luckily as a Brit I'm not as tainted as the rest of the population.

Quote:Quite the contrary. I think Gitmo has served its purpose just fine.


How are things on Christmas Island, btw?

A bit of an embarrassing situation to most Aussies. Luckily as a Brit I'm not as tainted as the rest of the population.

Quote:Those boats should never have been given up, and the assets in the area should have taken care of them.  Instead we make Iran look like they are relevant on the world stage and our president talks about "what he's accomplished" and what he wants to do before leaving office.

The difference is that soldiers captured during Vietnam were captured during a war. They had no reason to apologize for screwing up their navigation. Had Iran stopped and detained these boats while they were in international waters, then it would be a different story, but that's not what happened. Every single story I've read has the US government and the sailors acknowledging that they screwed up.

 

They sailed into Iranian territorial waters near a military installation. Iran reacted as any mature nation would: they detained the boats and sailors and immediately contacted the United States to sort it out. The US claimed that mechanical problems were to blame, and less than a day later, Iran released all ten sailors and the boats, which mysteriously cruised back out into the open ocean without any signs of mechanical trouble. Was this the US testing Iran's response to an incursion into their territorial waters, maybe? Or was it just Ahmed's Boat Repair doing a miraculous job of fixing the problem out of the goodness of Ahmed's heart?

 

If Iran had sailed two small boats up near Mayport, you'd be calling for seizure of the boats and indefinite detention of the Iranian sailors as spies. Face it: Iran handled this situation like a grown-up. I know that doesn't fit in with the extremist agenda, and it's probably a blow to the idea that the Ayatollah whiteboards plans to take over the world while he eats his cereal in the morning, but that's how it went down.

Quote:To do what? One sailor apologized admitting it was their mistake...they;'ve been released..but oh yeah,,,big balls pirky would carpet bomb. 

Some people would slash their neighbors tires if they parked one inch on their property....then build a huge wall.  I know, you're mad as hell and aint gonna take it no more. 

 

Lol... Iran just smacked little o in the back of the head as he gave his "look at me" speech.  Little o's eyes welled up as he did nothing.

 

Iran then rallies and recruits around the nice video they made of the incident.  A nice cherry on top of current events.  Dancing and wiping their rears with the agreement they've cheered ever since the moment our "leadership" caved on it.

Quote:The U.S. is not the superpower that we once were. 

 

And our weak leadership, and the even weaker who apologize for and support them, are happy with this fact.

Quote:As expected, a bunch of comments by people that really have no idea...

 

The sailor "confessing" and "apologizing" is a direct reflection of how our military operates these days under their "leadership".

 

The U.S. is not the superpower that we once were.  During even Desert Storm kids 18-25 overwhelmed the enemy and were victorious without "giving up".  During Vietnam kids from the same age group fought valiantly and never "apologized" when captured (John McCain example).  During WWII kids from the same age group and sometimes younger stormed the beaches of Normandy.  During both the Civil War and the Revolutionary war the soldiers were even younger.

 

Today, these kids (military included) want their "safe zones" and their "political correctness".  They whine and complain if their wifi isn't working good and expect things to be given to them.

 

Those boats should never have been given up, and the assets in the area should have taken care of them.  Instead we make Iran look like they are relevant on the world stage and our president talks about "what he's accomplished" and what he wants to do before leaving office.

Not saying you're quoting him, but is almost the same points el rushbo was making today. A guy with all that military background.

Quote:Lol... Iran just smacked little o in the back of the head as he gave his "look at me" speech.  Little o's eyes welled up as he did nothing.

 

Iran then rallies and recruits around the nice video they made of the incident.  A nice cherry on top of current events.  Dancing and wiping their rears with the agreement they've cheered ever since the moment our "leadership" caved on it.

With your military back ground, what would you have done?

These military personal that some here are softer due to our " leadership" somehow forget that some of these " soft" soldiers are the same that went into Pakistan and killed the most wanted criminal in history. Those must have been different a military , trained and affected by different " leadership" .

A naval vessel has engine trouble and drifts into territory it shouldn't be in, the crew is detained and diplomacy has them freed in a day with no shots fired and no loss of life, but people are upset because we didn't get to blow anything up or flex our muscle? I'd hate to ask what some of you think we should do if an Iranian naval vessel broke down and drifted into our waters.

Quote:As expected, a bunch of comments by people that really have no idea...


The sailor "confessing" and "apologizing" is a direct reflection of how our military operates these days under their "leadership".


The U.S. is not the superpower that we once were. During even Desert Storm kids 18-25 overwhelmed the enemy and were victorious without "giving up". During Vietnam kids from the same age group fought valiantly and never "apologized" when captured (John McCain example). During WWII kids from the same age group and sometimes younger stormed the beaches of Normandy. During both the Civil War and the Revolutionary war the soldiers were even younger.


Today, these kids (military included) want their "safe zones" and their "political correctness". They whine and complain if their wifi isn't working good and expect things to be given to them.


Those boats should never have been given up, and the assets in the area should have taken care of them. Instead we make Iran look like they are relevant on the world stage and our president talks about "what he's accomplished" and what he wants to do before leaving office.

Nice. Whining about whining while complaing about kids these days.

Quote:As expected, a bunch of comments by people that really have no idea...

 

The sailor "confessing" and "apologizing" is a direct reflection of how our military operates these days under their "leadership".

 

The U.S. is not the superpower that we once were.  During even Desert Storm kids 18-25 overwhelmed the enemy and were victorious without "giving up".  During Vietnam kids from the same age group fought valiantly and never "apologized" when captured (John McCain example).  During WWII kids from the same age group and sometimes younger stormed the beaches of Normandy.  During both the Civil War and the Revolutionary war the soldiers were even younger.

 

Today, these kids (military included) want their "safe zones" and their "political correctness".  They whine and complain if their wifi isn't working good and expect things to be given to them.

 

Those boats should never have been given up, and the assets in the area should have taken care of them.  Instead we make Iran look like they are relevant on the world stage and our president talks about "what he's accomplished" and what he wants to do before leaving office.

 

Are you seriously comparing Desert Storm and Vietnam with this?

 

Why are over-sized testicles so important? The most they do is put us in quagmires.

 

It's not a war zone, they violated territorial waters. The only people making Iran relevant are those making a big deal of this. And before you tell me I never served and have no idea, I spoke with my nephew, an officer with the Riverenes soon to be deployed in the area, and he does not share your view of what should have happened.

Quote:A naval vessel has engine trouble and drifts into territory it shouldn't be in, the crew is detained and diplomacy has them freed in a day with no shots fired and no loss of life, but people are upset because we didn't get to blow anything up or flex our muscle? I'd hate to ask what some of you think we should do if an Iranian naval vessel broke down and drifted into our waters.

qft

Tj, as usual, you are wrong. John McCain has clearly stated that in an instance where a vessel has become dosabled and is not a direct threat you hail them on the radio and ask if they need assistance. Once they determine the cause of the problem and assist them if need be you send them on their way back to international waters. You dont put guns on them video tape their arrest force the woman to cover her head and then incarcerate them.


Your depiction that this is the response of "any mature nation" is another statement rooted in a long line of intellectual masochism. Any nation or entity that seeks to demean or embarass this nation must be inherently right and we should thank our provocatours.


In this generation we have become so soft and relativistic that most of the country doesnt know to be embarassed.

Quote:Tj, as usual, you are wrong. John McCain has clearly stated that in an instance where a vessel has become dosabled and is not a direct threat you hail them on the radio and ask if they need assistance. Once they determine the cause of the problem and assist them if need be you send them on their way back to international waters. You dont put guns on them video tape their arrest force the woman to cover her head and then incarcerate them.


Your depiction that this is the response of "any mature nation" is another statement rooted in a long line of intellectual masochism. Any nation or entity that seeks to demean or embarass this nation must be inherently right and we should thank our provocatours.


In this generation we have become so soft and relativistic that most of the country doesnt know to be embarassed.

This is a an excellent tempering argument. While our people were returned relatively quickly, let's not forget the photos Iran released of them on their knees with hands on head, pawing over the weapons on board, and posing in the wheelhouse while displaying documents.  These are not the actions of a government interested in establishing cordial relations. Make no mistake, were it not for the diplomatic afterglow of the recent nuclear deal, these sailors would have been blindfolded and paraded around as trophies of the Great Satan America. To wit; the recent treatment of the "captured" British sailors.


With that being said, all this hue and cry about military escalation over a simple matter as this is asinine.

Quote:As expected, a bunch of comments by people that really have no idea...

 

The sailor "confessing" and "apologizing" is a direct reflection of how our military operates these days under their "leadership".

 

The U.S. is not the superpower that we once were.  During even Desert Storm kids 18-25 overwhelmed the enemy and were victorious without "giving up".  During Vietnam kids from the same age group fought valiantly and never "apologized" when captured
(John McCain example).  During WWII kids from the same age group and sometimes younger stormed the beaches of Normandy.  During both the Civil War and the Revolutionary war the soldiers were even younger.

 

Today, these kids (military included) want their "safe zones" and their "political correctness".  They whine and complain if their wifi isn't working good and expect things to be given to them.

 

Those boats should never have been given up, and the assets in the area should have taken care of them.  Instead we make Iran look like they are relevant on the world stage and our president talks about "what he's accomplished" and what he wants to do before leaving office.

 

During Vietnam many veterans returned home and joined the anti-war campaign and threw away their medals.  Had that happened today you would be saying the same thing about how our military is "wussified" or whatever.

 

Our military operates the same way it always has.  We have been directly responsible for continued destabilization in the middle east through covert ops, bombings, and distribution of weapons to rebels (including ISIS).  Our involvement in these areas is anything but passive.  

John Kerry Thanks Iran for the return of the sailors. I can't wait until this regime is out of office.

Quote:John Kerry Thanks Iran for the return of the sailors. I can't wait until this regime is out of office.

Should he have yelled at them for doing what we would have done? You guys have become paradoies of yourselves.