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A couple of the top teams are still waiting for rookie contracts to expire. Even if they throw 8 million a year at 4 or 5 players, they're still in the top-10 so it isn't like it's just because we're bad.

Quote:I wrote this elsewhere, also gives you an idea where the numbers are coming from.

 

* Next year's cap is projected to be [url=]Between $150m and $153.4m[/url]. Let's go with $150m.

* Jags currently have $108m committed to the cap next year. That gives us $42m to start with.

* If the Jags cut Clemons, Beadles, and Gerhart we're now down to $95m spending so our cap space is up to $55m.

* We have $32.25m in cap space this year that we can roll over. That brings us up to $87+m

 

 

Interesting.


 

Spotrac is estimating the overall cap at $154 mil and saying the Jaguars are $45.7 mil under to start with, although they do seem to agree on the $108 mil figure as Blackmon's $3 mil cap hit is not counting while suspended. In other words, the $42 mil figure is a rather safe figure.


 

Just to double check your estimated $13 mil savings on those three, Clemons appears to save $4 mil, Beadles $5.5 mil and Gerhart $3.5 mil. Indeed that's $13 mil, however, you have to keep in mind that three players at the bottom of the roster take their place among the top 51. So, that $13 mil is offset by about $1.5 mil meaning the overall savings is more like $11.5 mil.


 

I did look and notice that the Spotrac total is not accounting any rollover money, so they should get to roll over quite a bit. Hopefully there's nothing in the CBA wording that might prevent them from being able to do so. Looking at where they are right now for 2015, Spotrac agrees with the $32.25 mil figure, although it might be even more. According to overthecap.com, the Jaguars are $33.2 mil under ,and according to nfltraderumors.com, the Jaguars are $33 mil under. That said, I agree with using $32 mil as a safe number.


 

So using a safe overall cap of $150 mil, the Jaguars are $42 mil under. Tack on a carryover of $32 mil puts them at $74 mil under. Add on another $11.5 mil in savings and they're at least $85.5 mil under. Knowing the cap could be as much as $4 mil more and that they may have an addition $1 mil in cap space, the actual number could exceed $90 mil provided all of their cap space carries over. There's also a slight "cap adjustment" made for each team based on player incentives and escalators earned (ie, LTBEs and NLTBEs).

Quote:Interesting.


Spotrac is estimating the overall cap at $154 mil and saying the Jaguars are $45.7 mil under to start with, although they do seem to agree on the $108 mil figure as Blackmon's $3 mil cap hit is not counting while suspended. In other words, the $42 mil figure is a rather safe figure.


Just to double check your estimated $13 mil savings on those three, Clemons appears to save $4 mil, Beadles $5.5 mil and Gerhart $3.5 mil. Indeed that's $13 mil, however, you have to keep in mind that three players at the bottom of the roster take their place among the top 51. So, that $13 mil is offset by about $1.5 mil meaning the overall savings is more like $11.5 mil.


I did look and notice that the Spotrac total is not accounting any rollover money, so they should get to roll over quite a bit. Hopefully there's nothing in the CBA wording that might prevent them from being able to do so. Looking at where they are right now for 2015, Spotrac agrees with the $32.25 mil figure, although it might be even more. According to overthecap.com, the Jaguars are $33.2 mil under ,and according to nfltraderumors.com, the Jaguars are $33 mil under. That said, I agree with using $32 mil as a safe number.


So using a safe overall cap of $150 mil, the Jaguars are $42 mil under. Tack on a carryover of $32 mil puts them at $74 mil under. Add on another $11.5 mil in savings and they're at least $85.5 mil under. Knowing the cap could be as much as $4 mil more and that they may have an addition $1 mil in cap space, the actual number could exceed $90 mil provided all of their cap space carries over. There's also a slight "cap adjustment" made for each team based on player incentives and escalators earned (ie, LTBEs and NLTBEs).

So to sum up, we have mountain load of cash to lure quality free agents?

Quote:So to sum up, we have mountain load of cash to lure quality free agents?

 

 

More like a mountain range of cap space.

Quote:More like a mountain range of cap space.

They've given every indication they intend to spend as much as they can, knowing it will be almost impossible to spend anything close to all of that money this off season. Suffice to say, they will have the resources to drive up the free agent market if there's a player or two that they target as must have guys.


The problem is that most of the guys who fit into that category who are scheduled to hit free agency more than likely won't.


At the end of the day, they might hit gold in free agency, or they'll wind up being forced to overpay for players who aren't top tier, but close to it and on the rise.


Should be an interesting off season as Khan is no doubt expecting big things in 2016.

I've been a bit taken back by the expectations of Mack looking for a contract over $10 mil per year should he opt out of his deal with the Browns, however, realizing just how much cap space we do have, it's not like giving him $10 or even $12 mil per year is really going to bankrupt us. I stlll kind of doubt he even risks opting out, but should he, I can totally see Caldwell going after the Center whatever the cost.


 

That said, if Mack does not opt out, I do think Lyle Sendlein as a stopgap target for the Center position is a very realistic possibility.

Defense and Oline dammit..

It's fine to spend money in free agency, but let's try to spend intelligently. I don't want to see any offseasons like those mid 2000s Redskins teams or the Eagles' "Dream Team" offseason.

Looking at the Dolphins cap situation, being in the red, it appears that Vernon will definitely hit the market.  I hope we go after him hard.

Quote:http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/


The Jags are expected to lead the league with an enormous amount of cap space according to the current guesstimates. Whoever our capologist is deserves a raise.

You can thank Gene Smith for drafting hot garbage not worth signing to second contracts.

We should be looking at 3 top tier FA's, (Vernon, Gipson and Mack) and heavily front load their contracts to make sure we can keep Linder, Bortles, Smith, Robinson and Hurns when that time comes.


We're in such a good place cap wise, that we should be in an excellent place going forward, assuming we handle the rookies contracts sensibly.

Quote:Looking at the Dolphins cap situation, being in the red, it appears that Vernon will definitely hit the market.  I hope we go after him hard.

 

 

I keep thinking we might be overrating Olivier Vernon. I mean, dude only had 7 1/2 sacks last year and 6 1/2 the year before. He being touted as though he's some kind of sack master.

Quote:I've been a bit taken back by the expectations of Mack looking for a contract over $10 mil per year should he opt out of his deal with the Browns, however, realizing just how much cap space we do have, it's not like giving him $10 or even $12 mil per year is really going to bankrupt us. I stlll kind of doubt he even risks opting out, but should he, I can totally see Caldwell going after the Center whatever the cost.


 

That said, if Mack does not opt out, I do think Lyle Sendlein as a stopgap target for the Center position is a very realistic possibility.

Mack is as good as gone.  He was already saying his goodbyes in Cleveland.

A couple weeks ago, to a reporter for the record, Mack said he will not waive his "no trade" clause and that his decision to opt out will be based on his decision to play for a winning team.  Hopefully, he considers the Jags to be a 'winning team' going forward. 

Quote:I've been a bit taken back by the expectations of Mack looking for a contract over $10 mil per year should he opt out of his deal with the Browns, however, realizing just how much cap space we do have, it's not like giving him $10 or even $12 mil per year is really going to bankrupt us. I stlll kind of doubt he even risks opting out, but should he, I can totally see Caldwell going after the Center whatever the cost.


 

That said, if Mack does not opt out, I do think Lyle Sendlein as a stopgap target for the Center position is a very realistic possibility.

 

It actually would in the long run cause huge issues. Sure if you sign him a shorter contracter or plan to cut/replace him in 2 years, you could be okay but you would still have to find another Center in that time.


Also, Mack could well be one of those players some team targets on day 1. There are many more important targets for the Jaguars to concentrate on Day 1. 

Quote:It actually would in the long run cause huge issues. Sure if you sign him a shorter contracter or plan to cut/replace him in 2 years, you could be okay but you would still have to find another Center in that time.


Also, Mack could well be one of those players some team targets on day 1. There are many more important targets for the Jaguars to concentrate on Day 1. 

I think solidifying that line to help address protecting the most sacked QB in the league, your presumed franchise QB, and it also gives you the potential to improve your running game.  Both are high priority items for this team, IMO. 

It's all about protecting Bortles now. Even if it's just for a season or two, the center position is one of a few on the Oline that simply has to be upgraded. If paying Mack big money is the only way we can ensure the center position is significantly improved in 2016, I think we should sign him, as long as he still wants to play here. Look for a replacement for him in the early rounds of the draft.

Alfie thinks the cap will jump up to 160 million.


http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2016/1/11/1...ree-agency

Quote:I keep thinking we might be overrating Olivier Vernon. I mean, dude only had 7 1/2 sacks last year and 6 1/2 the year before. He being touted as though he's some kind of sack master.

I haven't seen him called a sack master, but he was just an all around force at DE. Tons of pressures and run stops. Disruption is production.

 

Rigel Spikes ‏@MF13SS  Jan 4
According to @PFF, Olivier Vernon finishes '15 with 3rd most total pressures (79) and 2nd most run stops (35) of all DEs (3-4 and 4-3).

 

Matthew ‏@RealMBB  Jan 6
Olivier Vernon finished 6th in QB pressures this season. He gets all the money. #Jaguars

 

Fins Fellow ‏@FinsFellow  31 Dec 2015
PFF single season record QB hits by a 4-3 DE Olivier Vernon,27

Quote:I haven't seen him called a sack master, but he was just an all around force at DE. Tons of pressures and run stops. Disruption is production.

 

<div>Rigel Spikes ‏@MF13SS  Jan 4
According to @PFF, Olivier Vernon finishes '15 with 3rd most total pressures (79) and 2nd most run stops (35) of all DEs (3-4 and 4-3).

 

Matthew ‏@RealMBB  Jan 6
Olivier Vernon finished 6th in QB pressures this season. He gets all the money. #Jaguars

 

Fins Fellow ‏@FinsFellow  31 Dec 2015
PFF single season record QB hits by a 4-3 DE Olivier Vernon,27

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Cool. I was hoping to see a little more to justify all the hype surrounding him.