Math... Reason... Must be a right wing plot
An armed citizen is safer. Just look at Iraq,Afghanistan...where every swingin dick has an AK.
Quote:An armed citizen is safer. Just look at Iraq,Afghanistan...where every swingin [BAD WORD REMOVED] has an AK.
Pretty sure its illegal for citizens to be armed in both those countries which leaves them vunrable to the jihadist and at the mercy of the corrupt gocernments.
Yeah, he was way off. According to that chart, there were 38 mass shootings in the U.S. between 2009 - 2013. The closest to the U.S. is Germany with...3. The chart does make a point about mass shootings per capita, but still...38 vs. 3 or less.
So if you want to hold President Obama to a strict interpretation of his words then, yes, he was wrong. It does happen in other countries, but nowhere near as frequently. Is the point that we need not worry about the high rate of shootings here, or do we really only care about semantics?
Quote:Yeah, he was way off. According to that chart, there were 38 mass shootings in the U.S. between 2009 - 2013. The closest to the U.S. is Germany with...3. The chart does make a point about mass shootings per capita, but still...38 vs. 3 or less.
So if you want to hold President Obama to a strict interpretation of his words then, yes, he was wrong. It does happen in other countries, but nowhere near as frequently. Is the point that we need not worry about the high rate of shootings here, or do we really only care about semantics?
Why use Germany, who has 1/4th the population of the US, rather than the entire EU? The EU would be a much more fair comparison than just Germany.
And now we have another mass shooting in California. Clearly, the system we have is broken, and is not keeping guns away from those who have no business touching them. More guns isn't the answer, nor is an overhaul of the mental health system without affecting gun rights, and the NRA's preferred course of action-do nothing-is getting people killed.
It's time for registration and stricter regulations on who can own a gun, what type and how many they can have and how much ammo they can possess. This is a generational problem. Violent crime may well go up initially, but over the course of a decade or more, we could greatly reduce the number of mass violent incidents just by limiting access to guns and bringing the flow of new ones to a trickle.
Quote:Why use Germany, who has 1/4th the population of the US, rather than the entire EU? The EU would be a much more fair comparison than just Germany.
Even using that criteria, it is a much more prevalent problem here.
Quote:It's time for registration and stricter regulations on who can own a gun, what type and how many they can have and how much ammo they can possess.
Adolf Hitler would be proud
Quote:Adolf Hitler would be proud
Of your views on Mexican immigrants? He sure would.
Also, Godwin's Law.
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Quote:And now we have another mass shooting in California. Clearly, the system we have is broken, and is not keeping guns away from those who have no business touching them. More guns isn't the answer, nor is an overhaul of the mental health system without affecting gun rights, and the NRA's preferred course of action-do nothing-is getting people killed.
It's time for registration and stricter regulations on who can own a gun, what type and how many they can have and how much ammo they can possess. This is a generational problem. Violent crime may well go up initially, but over the course of a decade or more, we could greatly reduce the number of mass violent incidents just by limiting access to guns and bringing the flow of new ones to a trickle.
No. I do not trust you people and refuse to surrender my right to self defense to you.
Keeping guns out of the hands of the law abiding is easy.. Keeping them out of the hands of the criminals is difficult. Weapon restrictions simply won't work because criminals aren't law abiding and will do what it takes to get themselves a gun.
True. You know how much it would cost to buy a gun on the black market? Also do you know where to find the black market?
Probably a problem for poor people with mental health issues...
The other issue is there are ~32k gun deaths each year in this country. If you listen to the spin, you'd think 32k are dying in mass shootings. The reality is though that isnt true. 20k of those are suicides, 8-9k are inner city urban violence, another 1k are just accidents, etc... and when you get down to it, there arent that many actual non-urban violence murders used by guns.
Now obviously 20k people killing themselves with guns is a serious issue. And clearly guns are a much more efficient way to kill oneself than say overdosing. On the otherhand our suicide rate isnt unusually high. In fact we're right on par with some European countries and way behind the likes of a place like Japan which has very strict gun laws. Trying to fix gun related suicides requires a much more indepth analysis than just "eliminating guns" but nobody wants to actually talk about mental health when it comes to guns.
Urban violence is it's own problem. And I'm sure many would agree guns aren't the root cause of inner city poverty. And fixing those socioeconomic issues would probably fix a lot of those gun statistics without even touching gun laws. But obviously fixing inner city issues is a whole other sensitive topic.
I actually dont have a problem putting in some more common sense and restrictive gun laws, but not sure they would make a real dent in the total number of deaths in this country. And lets be honest, if you dont own a gun and dont hang out in the hood at 2 in the morning, the odds of you dying from a gun are almost nothing.
Your last sentence pretty much sums up life in a country with gun laws.
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Urban violence is it's own problem. And I'm sure many would agree guns aren't the root cause of inner city poverty. And fixing those socioeconomic issues would probably fix a lot of those gun statistics without even touching gun laws. But obviously fixing inner city issues is a whole other sensitive topic.
The illegal drug trade is a big part of that. Legalizing drugs would go a long way to reducing the murder rate.
Of course death by overdose may skyrocket. But maybe not, if drugs are legal and quality-controlled.
Quote:Your last sentence pretty much sums up life in a country with gun laws.
Venezuela?
Quote:Venezuela?
Not really that comparable for the UK or Australia... But if that's the best comeback I guess it proves the point.
Quote:Even using that criteria, it is a much more prevalent problem here.
Just looking at the source I counted 10 mass shootings, and it only has 7 of the EU nations. I imagine it will get higher when you add in the other nations. If all together the EU has 20 mass shootings and the US has 38, is it really that much more prevalent? Keep in mind the EU has MUCH stricter gun laws than the US.
Quote:Not really that comparable for the UK or Australia... But if that's the best comeback I guess it proves the point.
Why is it not comparable?