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I agree. Plenty be excited about. Bortles being at the top of the list. Robinson. The development of Hurns. That's a crucial component of the offense we have locked down for years and years. I def see us getting going here late in the season. All starts on Sunday and I can't wait.

This team desperately needs a coaching change.

 

This roster is good enough to win this division THIS year.  

 

Yet here we are....

Quote:Most of those rosters were not gutted.

The difference? Solid kicking?

You are talking about a team that was 3rd worst last year.... and a difference of 1 or 2 wins, which could come quickly.

 

Yes the rosters are better and maybe the coaching.

 

Definitely the kicking lol

Rosters weren't gutted? 49ers lost like 10 starters and they just won a game with Gabbert.

 

Raiders were very void of talent. Bears were trading away big pieces. Skins are starting Cousins. Bucs had the worst record in the league last year.

 

It's not kicking. It's coaching.

Quote:So people claiming Gus is a bad coach are irrational?

 

Where did I claim that? This thread is about the future of this franchise looking incredibly positive. I have mentioned the coaching situation once in the entire thread when I said "I somewhat agree with the complaints about coaching, but either way this team is going to continue to develop". I just posted a stupidly long post in the giant Fire Gus thread if you want more detail.

 

You seem to be one of the many posters on here that has become so obsessed with Gus that you are now incredibly sensitive to the issue and think that any positivity about the team is a defence of Gus. People seem to revel in this 'apologists' versus 'the fire Gus brigade' thing... The truth is we all want the same thing, we all want victories. Why can't we all just get along?  :thumbsup: 

Quote:Rosters weren't gutted? 49ers lost like 10 starters and they just won a game with Gabbert.

 

Raiders were very void of talent. Bears were trading away big pieces. Skins are starting Cousins. Bucs had the worst record in the league last year.

 

It's not kicking. It's coaching.

It's the pass rush. And going back to your previous post, this is not college football. You aren't automatically worse than a team you lose to. The Patriots might not go undefeated this year, but that doesn't mean there is a better football team out there. We lost to HOU once but I think we split with them. We were the better team that day too. Unfortunately we couldn't get off the field on a couple crucial 3rd and longs (pass rush).

Quote:It's the pass rush. And going back to your previous post, this is not college football. You aren't automatically worse than a team you lose to. The Patriots might not go undefeated this year, but that doesn't mean there is a better football team out there. We lost to HOU once but I think we split with them. We were the better team that day too. Unfortunately we couldn't get off the field on a couple crucial 3rd and longs (pass rush).

So if they have a better record than us and we lost to them, we are better than them? Got it.

 

 

Quote:Where did I claim that? This thread is about the future of this franchise looking incredibly positive. I have mentioned the coaching situation once in the entire thread when I said "I somewhat agree with the complaints about coaching, but either way this team is going to continue to develop". I just posted a stupidly long post in the giant Fire Gus thread if you want more detail.

 

You seem to be one of the many posters on here that has become so obsessed with Gus that you are now incredibly sensitive to the issue and think that any positivity about the team is a defence of Gus. People seem to revel in this 'apologists' versus 'the fire Gus brigade' thing... The truth is we all want the same thing, we all want victories. Why can't we all just get along?  :thumbsup: 

I'm not obsessed with Gus at all. I see the improvement in the offense (mainly due to Olsen I would assume) and I love the young core of players. That's why I want a great coach to lead this team. I don't (and many others agree) think that Gus is the guy to take us to the promise land which is the ultimate goal here.

 

Maybe he will save face and actually string together some wins here but I doubt it. He hasn't shown that he has the ability to win games that are winnable.

Quote:So if they have a better record than us and we lost to them, we are better than them? Got it.

 

 


I'm not obsessed with Gus at all. I see the improvement in the offense (mainly due to Olsen I would assume) and I love the young core of players. That's why I want a great coach to lead this team. I don't (and many others agree) think that Gus is the guy to take us to the promise land which is the ultimate goal here.

 

Maybe he will save face and actually string together some wins here but I doubt it. He hasn't shown that he has the ability to win games that are winnable.

I'm just saying it's not necessarily true. Parity is too high in the NFL. If we split with them and we have a better record at the end of the season...


All I'm saying is you can't put a rubber stamp on it quite yet.

Quote:We need to win some games, that's why you play. Everyone see's, well most see, the emergence of talent. The frustration is that wins aren't following. Winning cures everything.

This team reminds me almost exactly of what the Bungles team of the late 90's-early 00's looked like. The first couple years of that was pretty dreadful. Then, they started improving: being competitive in most games,, WRs that put up really good production,, etc.


They were competitive most games, even winning a few. But, they still made errors at times (costly turnovers/penalties/coaching gaffes that would mess up the game - hence the term "Bungles").


As each year passed, they kept improving, made less mistakes, kept drafting well.


We're witnessing the Jags improve back to relevance. Their young offense is getting better. The QB is improving. They're competitive, losing close games to "bungling" mistakes.


The Jags are near the end of their "decade of futility". Soon, very soon, the offense will be even better. They'll not make as many mistakes. The defense will get better over the next couple drafts. By the time the defense improves,, the offense will be top notch. This team is close,, just needs a little more time.


It's been tough to be patient. But, it definitely will be worth the wait when this team puts it all together and "inexperience" is no longer an issue. Everyone wants to win "now", but it's coming guys. It's coming.

I'm looking forward to next year with a good coach in place.

 

I think we have enough talent for a good coach to come in and win immediately.

 

all of this, of course, is predicated on Bortles improving that turnover rate of his. it's out of control.

Quote:So if they have a better record than us and we lost to them, we are better than them? Got it.

 

 

I'm not obsessed with Gus at all. I see the improvement in the offense (mainly due to Olsen I would assume) and I love the young core of players. That's why I want a great coach to lead this team. I don't (and many others agree) think that Gus is the guy to take us to the promise land which is the ultimate goal here.

 

Maybe he will save face and actually string together some wins here but I doubt it. He hasn't shown that he has the ability to win games that are winnable.

 

On the whole, I agree with you (check the Fire Gus thread if you want my full views). BUT... so many people on here, you included, have fallen into the trap of "everything bad = Gus's fault" and "everything good = the talent level we have or other good coaches".... it happens on every bad team. That talent level we have, does Gus get no credit in developing a young team to the point where we consider them talented? I think it is only fair that Gus does get credit for some of the positives about this franchise, just as it is fair he gets criticism for the negatives...

Quote:On the whole, I agree with you (check the Fire Gus thread if you want my full views). BUT... so many people on here, you included, have fallen into the trap of "everything bad = Gus's fault" and "everything good = the talent level we have or other good coaches".... it happens on every bad team. That talent level we have, does Gus get no credit in developing a young team to the point where we consider them talented? I think it is only fair that Gus does get credit for some of the positives about this franchise, just as it is fair he gets criticism for the negatives...

Thats actually not true at all.

 

Last game wasn't Gus' fault at all. Timely turnovers were the cause for the loss last week. I made that statement many times this week. But feel free to lump me in with that crowd if you must. It's not black and white. You can see improvement in the team and still believe a better HC is out there that could lead this team to more wins.

 

However if we continue to lose winnable games, who does that fall on? Would a better coach be able to win those games where as Gus lost? 

 

Have the players on offense improved because of Gus or is it because Blake is  good now that he has Hacket and Olsen? I'm leaning more towards the OC and QC.

Quote:Thats actually not true at all.

 

Last game wasn't Gus' fault at all. Timely turnovers were the cause for the loss last week. I made that statement many times this week. But feel free to lump me in with that crowd if you must. It's not black and white. You can see improvement in the team and still believe a better HC is out there that could lead this team to more wins.

 

However if we continue to lose winnable games, who does that fall on? Would a better coach be able to win those games where as Gus lost? 

 

Have the players on offense improved because of Gus or is it because Blake is  good now that he has Hacket and Olsen? I'm leaning more towards the OC and QC.

 

Fair play, I take it back! But it is certainly true of many on this board. Dropped passes, INTs etc become symptoms of Gus being a moron...

 

Ultimately I think we are pretty close to being on the same page. I have no issue with a coaching change, although I would definitely give Gus until the end of the year and then if we do decide to get rid we can really focus on bringing in the right candidate...

Quote:This team reminds me almost exactly of what the Bungles team of the late 90's-early 00's looked like. The first couple years of that was pretty dreadful. Then, they started improving: being competitive in most games,, WRs that put up really good production,, etc.


They were competitive most games, even winning a few. But, they still made errors at times (costly turnovers/penalties/coaching gaffes that would mess up the game - hence the term "Bungles").


As each year passed, they kept improving, made less mistakes, kept drafting well.


We're witnessing the Jags improve back to relevance. Their young offense is getting better. The QB is improving. They're competitive, losing close games to "bungling" mistakes.


The Jags are near the end of their "decade of futility". Soon, very soon, the offense will be even better. They'll not make as many mistakes. The defense will get better over the next couple drafts. By the time the defense improves,, the offense will be top notch. This team is close,, just needs a little more time.


It's been tough to be patient. But, it definitely will be worth the wait when this team puts it all together and "inexperience" is no longer an issue. Everyone wants to win "now", but it's coming guys. It's coming.

 

Yeah that comparison with the Bengals struck me too.

 

Also interesting to look at their approach to their HC. There have been multiple times when the fans have screamed for Marvin Lewis's head, but the organization stayed patient because they saw he was developing something special. It is certainly paying off for them now.

 

It's certainly one of the fears about making a coaching change here, although personally I disagree.

Quote:Rosters weren't gutted? 49ers lost like 10 starters and they just won a game with Gabbert.

 

Raiders were very void of talent. Bears were trading away big pieces. Skins are starting Cousins. Bucs had the worst record in the league last year.

 

It's not kicking. It's coaching.

I'm talking about the rebuild plan.

 

Did anyone actually watch the 9ers Falcons game? Or did they just see that Gabbert started and they won? Gabbert wasn't good really and they got lucky a couple times.

 

Has anyone watched the Falcons get very lucky this year with bounces and playing bad teams and their luck is running out on them?

 

Skins are starting Cousins because he is better than a broken RG3. Their roster has ultimately stayed the same, or improved (Reed at TE, Desean Jackson, Garcon, Morris, adding Jones)

I guess you like that though?

 

Bucs did have the worst record in the league, and they have 1 more win than us... I don't see them getting a whole lot more, but we'll see. They beat a bad D in nola, the game against us, and a flailing atl team. Bucs D has played better than ours. Also, they didn't gut much of their roster when Lovie took over, rather they slowly added old

Chicago players as stop gaps while drafting.

 

Bears should be better. But... injuries on offense... defensive overhaul changing schemes too.... Bears are a better team actually, but their arrow might be pointing down, which is why all the moves.

 

Raiders? The raiders started a rebuild the same time as us. And went about it a more conventional way. They weren't as void of talent as you may think. Once Davis died, they started doing things a little better... They drafted pieces and parts slowly. I applaud them, they should be good for awhile. I look forward to facing them often. JDR is in a good spot and they got a good coach on round 2 of his career.

Better team at this point because of rebuilding a different way. They hit on a round 2 QB, they got a little lucky there.

 

Some of it may be coaching. I don't void Bradley of any fault with this team. But I think he's growing into it... and it may be too much for him... but if we rip off quite a few wins to end the season a lot of people are going to have to change their tone. Not just about the coach but the team in general.

I think many people forget that Bradley inherited one of the worst rosters in the history of nfl.

Quote:Yeah that comparison with the Bengals struck me too.

 

Also interesting to look at their approach to their HC. There have been multiple times when the fans have screamed for Marvin Lewis's head, but the organization stayed patient because they saw he was developing something special. It is certainly paying off for them now.

 

It's certainly one of the fears about making a coaching change here, although personally I disagree.

Yep. I've noted this a few times here and there on the board...

 

Although... Lewis never had a stretch of 3 losing seasons, iirc.

Quote:I think many people forget that Bradley inherited one of the worst rosters in the history of nfl.

yeah.. and then it was blown up more than any roster in history. 


Caldwell literally has done something few, if any, GMs have by skewing so young so quickly. By truly drafting and developing players and signing FAs to smart contracts and saving big pay days for when we're close.

Quote:I think many people forget that Bradley inherited one of the worst rosters in the history of nfl.

 

People forget that? I doubt it. That's why he got a free pass the first year and people were surprised they went 4-12. But since then they have only won 5 games. 5-22 in the last 27 games coached by Bradley.

Quote:I'm amazed by the negativity on this board sometimes. Topics like 'Jaguars Armageddon'... Are you kidding me? You think this is the end of the world for the Jags??? What we are witnessing here is quite the opposite. We are seeing the emergence of a group of players that can really be a force in this league for the next ten years.

 

 

Hey, Jaguar Armageddon was my post.  And I thought the title was well thought out.  Did you even read it?  I mean, seriously?

 

Gabbert (the worst QB in the NFL) won

Mularkey (aregueable the worst coach in the NFL--though I think Bradley is actually the worst) won

a clot team that just fired their OC won

and we lost.

 

It was indeed a low point in Jaguar history...  I think, from a certain point of view, it could be seen as one of the lowest points in our history.  Think about it, we were all talking about winning a beatable game which would have propelled us into actually having a chance at the division.

 

After sunday, we were the only AFCS team to lose that day.  

Quote:People forget that? I doubt it. That's why he got a free pass the first year and people were surprised they went 4-12. But since then they have only won 5 games. 5-22 in the last 27 games coached by Bradley.

It's why Khan is giving him (at least) until the end of this season...

 

Hope the fans can deal with that lol