Quote:In 2015, that one stat says Ryan Fitzpatrick is better than Tom Brady: ESPN’s QBR rankings for this season have Fitzpatrick third in the NFL with a Total QBR of 76.7. Brady is fifth, with a Total QBR of 73.9.
Those rankings obviously look screwy, but taken alone they might seem more like a fluke than an indictment of Total QBR as a stat. The problem is that you can go through the Total QBR rankings and find all kinds of other rankings that just don’t pass the smell test: Brian Hoyer is a top 10 quarterback, ranking ahead of Ben Roethlisberger, Derek Carr, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers and Russell Wilson. Ryan Mallett, who was benched and cut, ranks ahead of Cam Newton, who’s getting some MVP buzz. Ryan Tannehill, who’s had his ups and downs, ranks dead last among the 32 ranked quarterbacks — behind Colin Kaepernick, who’s been nothing but down.
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ESPN fails once again.
Yeah, PFT really butchered it and made them look bad. Good job by them. Tom Brady has been far and away the best qb in the league this year and to have Ryan Fitzpatrick better ahead of him in anything is a joke.
Once they ran the numbers and they saw that's how it was computed, they should have trashed the whole system and started over.
QBR is just ESPN trying to create a statistical narrative. Does anybody besides ESPN even use it?
Quote:QBR is just ESPN trying to create a statistical narrative. Does anybody besides ESPN even use it?
No, because only they know the formula. Also it's a terrible stat.
Didnt that spaz Ron Jaworski have something to do with it?
Quote:Didnt that spaz Ron Jaworski have something to do with it?
Makes sense since he's the only guy on Earth who can watch 39 hours of tape in a 24 hour day.
QBR has pretty much been worthless. It really offers nothing more than what QB rating already had. It's an over-complicated mess.
As I posted before
Aaron Rodgers (14-22 77yrds) =64
Tom Brady (27-40 350yrds 4TDs) = 60
I somewhat disagree.
It's becoming, to me, more of a who's carrying who statistic.
If QBR is high, and the team is winning... safe to say the QB is contributing.
If QBR is high, and the team is losing... QB may be playing too conservative, or is being held in check by the OC, or the defense is killing the team.
If QBR is low, and the team is winning... QB is making just enough key plays and is getting bailed out by his defense.
If QBR is low, and the team is losing... safe to say the QB is probably a big part of the problem, but not necessarily the only problem.
Quote:I somewhat disagree.
It's becoming, to me, more of a who's carrying who statistic.
If QBR is high, and the team is winning... safe to say the QB is contributing.
If QBR is high, and the team is losing... QB may be playing too conservative, or is being held in check by the OC, or the defense is killing the team.
If QBR is low, and the team is winning... QB is making just enough key plays and is getting bailed out by his defense.
If QBR is low, and the team is losing... safe to say the QB is probably a big part of the problem, but not necessarily the only problem.
That's fair enough... But couldn't you say the same thing about the standard QB rating system?
The main flaw in the "Total QBR" or whatever ESPN calls it is that it's arbitrarily determining when a certain pass is "better" than another pass given a scenario that is left in the dark to normal fans who don't work for ESPN.
At least with the traditional QB rating, we all know where the numbers and values are coming from.
ESPN is really the only one I see/hear use it, and it doesn't even seem to be ESPN as a whole. When I do happen to listen to first take (which isn't often), Stephen A is always talking about passer rating instead while Skip is getting his jolly's off on QBR, but Skip is a professional troll so obviously he would go there.
Quote:QBR is just ESPN trying to create a statistical narrative. Does anybody besides ESPN even use it?
Not that I've ever seen. Everyone else uses the standard 158.3 scale. Wasn't the whole logic (at least, the public logic) for the move that the 158.3 scale was too confusing, so they created a 100-point scale to replace it? The behind-the-scenes logic, I'm sure, was to force their scale so far into the mainstream that other networks would have no choice but to license out the ESPN QBR scale.
Quote:That's fair enough... But couldn't you say the same thing about the standard QB rating system?
The main flaw in the "Total QBR" or whatever ESPN calls it is that it's arbitrarily determining when a certain pass is "better" than another pass given a scenario that is left in the dark to normal fans who don't work for ESPN.
At least with the traditional QB rating, we all know where the numbers and values are coming from.
Great points.
Quote:As I posted before
Aaron Rodgers (14-22 77yrds) =64
Tom Brady (27-40 350yrds 4TDs) = 60
I willtake ¥2¥
So ... this past game:
Bortles QBR: 33.8
Mariota QBR: 81.8
If you say so, ESPN. If you say so.
Quote:So ... this past game:
Bortles QBR: 33.8
Mariota QBR: 81.8
If you say so, ESPN. If you say so.
Bortles had an interception and a fumble. The interception came at a time when we could have at the very least attempted a field goal and the fumble led to their field goal. He has to clear up those mistakes. He's a phenomenal qb, but those errors make no sense. Especially the interception....it was so easy to see he was covered and that ball shouldn't have been thrown, if anything he should have gone deeper with the ball and over the defenders head.
Quote:Bortles had an interception and a fumble. The interception came at a time when we could have at the very least attempted a field goal and the fumble led to their field goal. He has to clear up those mistakes. He's a phenomenal qb, but those errors make no sense. Especially the interception....it was so easy to see he was covered and that ball shouldn't have been thrown, if anything he should have gone deeper with the ball and over the defenders head.
He also threw a td for a "game winning drive" which their "clutch" metric should like and had a higher comp % and more yards.
Traditional QB Rating
Blake 91
Mariota 81
That seems better to me
On a side note. JT was open, the ball was in a bad spot. Further outside or like you said over the defender and it's a 1st down.
Quote:I somewhat disagree.
It's becoming, to me, more of a who's carrying who statistic.
If QBR is high, and the team is winning... safe to say the QB is contributing.
If QBR is high, and the team is losing... QB may be playing too conservative, or is being held in check by the OC, or the defense is killing the team.
If QBR is low, and the team is winning... QB is making just enough key plays and is getting bailed out by his defense.
If QBR is low, and the team is losing... safe to say the QB is probably a big part of the problem, but not necessarily the only problem.
If I told you it was the favorite stat of Skip Bayless, would that change your mind?
Because it's Skip Bayless' favorite stat.
Quote:He also threw a td for a "game winning drive" which their "clutch" metric should like
Since it really wasn't a "game winning drive" because they started at the 5 yard line, and only took 1 play,,, does it still count towards their "clutch" metric?
Just curious, I honestly don't know. But, you would think that wouldnt be included.
**Maybe what Pirk stated might be true:
If a QBR is pretty low,, but the team is winning,, it might correlate with defense/special teams playing well or winning the game?
Bortles did have some good moments and throws, particularly the 10 straight completions. But, he also had some bone-headed moments, especially another late 4th qtr INT that could've been a killer. The big return and 4th qtr defense saved that game IMO.
ESPN is a ratings based, click bait, drama hyping machine.. A lot of people forget this..