Quote:The defense held NY to 290 total yards. That's a fantastic effort. This one was lost on turnovers, no brainer.
Really? Ryan Fitzpatrick was missing a thumb. He's going in for surgery today and still scored 28 points. This defense is terrible. ALL of Gus's defenses have allowed 27-30 points per game EVERY YEAR. Why does he still have a job?
Quote:Really? Ryan Fitzpatrick was missing a thumb. He's going in for surgery today and still scored 28 points. This defense is terrible. ALL of Gus's defenses have allowed 27-30 points per game EVERY YEAR. Why does he still have a job?
The defense was not the problem yesterday, sorry. I watched the game. You take away the 4 turnovers and we win in big fashion. Go look at the stats, we dominated them. 4 - 0 turnovers was the killer.
Quote:The defense was not the problem yesterday, sorry. I watched the game. You take away the 4 turnovers and we win in big fashion. Go look at the stats, we dominated them. 4 - 0 turnovers was the killer.
Yup. ^That's a very good assessment IMO.
Quote:Really? Ryan Fitzpatrick was missing a thumb. He's going in for surgery today and still scored 28 points. This defense is terrible. ALL of Gus's defenses have allowed 27-30 points per game EVERY YEAR. Why does he still have a job?
Let's just look at late in the game yesterday:
Jags were down by 5 points.
-DEFENSE STOPPED THE JETS,, Jags ball
-Jags get in scoring position,, and then
- Bortles fumbles the ball
-DEFENSE STOPPED THE JETS,,, Jags ball
- Muffed Punt,, resulting in a Jets score (short field,, great play B. Marshall)
- Jags score,, TD by Walters
-DEFENSE STOPPED THE JETS,,, Jags ball
- Bortles INT.
Defense played well late when they had to. 3 turnovers late in the game cost Jags a victory.
Quote:Really? Ryan Fitzpatrick was missing a thumb. He's going in for surgery today and still scored 28 points. This defense is terrible. ALL of Gus's defenses have allowed 27-30 points per game EVERY YEAR. Why does he still have a job?
It's his thumb on his non-throwing hand, it's not a big deal.
Quote:Let's just look at late in the game yesterday:
Jags were down by 5 points.
-DEFENSE STOPPED THE JETS,, Jags ball
-Jags get in scoring position,, and then
- Bortles fumbles the ball
-DEFENSE STOPPED THE JETS,,, Jags ball
- Muffed Punt,, resulting in a Jets score (short field,, great play B. Marshall)
- Jags score,, TD by Walters
-DEFENSE STOPPED THE JETS,,, Jags ball
- Bortles INT.
Defense played well late when they had to. 3 turnovers late in the game cost Jags a victory.
The Jags defense has only produced 7 turnovers this year. That's 30th best in the NFL. We have played Jameis Winston, hasselbeck, Ej Manuel, Brian hoyer, Ryan Fitzpatrick. A bunch of bad QBs......and only 7 turns. That's embarrassing. The defense is the reason this Jaguars franchise has sucked for years. You can't give up 27-30 ppg from 2012-2015 AND never produce turnovers. It's impossible to ever win.
Bortles INT rate is normal by percentages. Our defense is NOT normal. It's terrible.
While the jets game you can not blame the defense specifically. I will agree that thru the Gus tenure our defense has been historically bad at causing turnovers. When was the last time you saw a sucessfull break on the ball and an INT by one of our corners. Betcha cant remember one.
The defense is mentally at Baskin Robbins by the 3rd quarter.
Quote:While the jets game you can not blame the defense specifically. I will agree that thru the Gus tenure our defense has been historically bad at causing turnovers. When was the last time you saw a sucessfull break on the ball and an INT by one of our corners. Betcha cant remember one.
Dwayne Gratz's pick 6 against Houston last year.... other than that? Don't remember any others.
Quote:While the jets game you can not blame the defense specifically. I will agree that thru the Gus tenure our defense has been historically bad at causing turnovers. When was the last time you saw a sucessfull break on the ball and an INT by one of our corners. Betcha cant remember one.
This is true. It probably coincides with the last time the Jaguars had a truly effective pass rush...
Sure, Gus and Babich deserve blame for not adapting to their personnel. But Caldwell has not been able to find that "out of no where" pass rusher, and when they spend the resources necessary to do so (Fowler), they get snakebit. To be fair, it is difficult to find great pass rushers. That is why they are are expensive and scarce.
I think the DBs have been on vacation cause I haven't seen them all year
Quote:Dwayne Gratz's pick 6 against Houston last year.... other than that? Don't remember any others.
Good call for some reason Gratz was in my mind while posting. But you get the point.
Quote:No... they are not irrelevant. They are VERY relevant. Turnovers are what cost us this game. It's not as if the Jets offense ran wild on us. Ivory couldn't run for more than 3 yards, and the Marshall TD was a terrible call, which was also made possible due to a Turnover.
The answer, unfortunately, is we simply lack a pass rush. We knew that going into the draft. Fowler was supposed to be part of the answer, but injuries happen, and we don't really have anyone else to stand up in that role yet.
I hesitate to say it... because the last time I felt this way we ended up with Harvey and Groves... but we're really a Pass Rusher away.
Our DB play isn't phenomenal, but with a respectable pass rush they would be serviceable at the very least. I'd like to see an improvement made at Safety, though.
So basically, get back Fowler, add an additional Pass Rush threat, and a decent improvement at Safety and our Defense will look significantly better. We've got some really good pieces in there... we're just missing the most important ones.
Pretty much, this is what is boils down to; we run a defense that is dependent on having some kind of legitimate pass rush. Unfortunately, we haven't had a legitimate pass rusher here since.... Tony Brackens? Marks had a good number of sacks last season, but many of them came after the game was already out of reach; which as it happened last year was usually no later than the first half.
We hope that we'll have a pass rusher in Fowler; time will tell if that's true or if we just scored another Harvey or Groves.
Given that our offense is still so prone to 'Barney Phife syndrome' (aka-shooting themselves in the foot), here we sit at 2-6 at the mid point of the season.
This is kind of ignorant given the fact that the d had the best run stopping performance in history (literally... Like ever) they had three short field oppurtunities converted for tds thats too high but in one case they come on the field after a fumble stop them and then we drop a punt. The d has to be better but situations matter.
Quote:This is kind of ignorant given the fact that the d had the best run stopping performance in history (literally... Like ever) they had three short field oppurtunities converted for tds thats too high but in one case they come on the field after a fumble stop them and then we drop a punt. The d has to be better but situations matter.
^^Very good post. I completely agree with all of it.
But,, logic and common sense doesn't fly around here though.
Quote:This is kind of ignorant given the fact that the d had the best run stopping performance in history (literally... Like ever) they had three short field oppurtunities converted for tds thats too high but in one case they come on the field after a fumble stop them and then we drop a punt. The d has to be better but situations matter.
Okay... I sit appropriately rebuked.... wait... were you talking to me?
What is a defense????? Is that something like what jags had in first qtr of bills game? is that a defense?
Quote:This is kind of ignorant given the fact that the d had the best run stopping performance in history (literally... Like ever) they had three short field oppurtunities converted for tds thats too high but in one case they come on the field after a fumble stop them and then we drop a punt. The d has to be better but situations matter.
People are blaming a few turnovers on the crappy defense? Since Gus Bradley took over in 2013, the jags have allowed an NFL worst 28.2 points per game. Sure, blame Bortles if you want. Cam Newton has 9 INTs and his defense gives up 17 ppg. Peyton Manning has 13 INT and his defense gives up 20 ppg.