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For you Henry drollers. Remember Yeldon started over Henry the last 2 years

So?

Henry's not going to be a good back in the NFL. This isn't a big deal.

I feel like Henry will be good for a couple of years but he has so many carries in his high school/college career

I could see him going in the second round like Lacy. I could also see him having a similar career in the NFL. Lacy has been a nice runner for the Packers but he is not a dynamic talent.

Quote:For you Henry drollers. Remember Yeldon started over Henry the last 2 years

 

Eddie Lacy backed up Trent Richardson.

Quote:Henry's not going to be a good back in the NFL. This isn't a big deal.

He's faster than he looks but he won't be as elusive against nfl talent.

Quote:He's faster than he looks but he won't be as elusive against nfl talent.

I don't have a problem with his top end speed. He's slow hitting the running lane. It takes time for him to get going, too much time in my opinion.

That proves nothing and was precisely the point I would have never drafted Yeldon. At all times, Henry looked like the better player in the backfield. Although not a true starter, it was definitely a split backfield. He only had 20 less carries than Yeldon. Even on touchdowns but that's basically it. Henry had more rush yards, a better rushing average, and less fumbles.


More important to me was how Henry shined in the big games while Yeldon just lingered along. In the SEC championship game 141 yards, 7.1 average, 2 tds. Playoff game 95 yards, 7.3 average, 1 td.

Yeldon only combined for 94 yards in both those games and was virtually nonexistent.

We'll have to disagree. At no time did Henry every look like the better NFL prospect to me. He basically has the same average per rush as Trent Richardson and Lendale White's average puts Henry's to shame. I'm looking at their last year in college. Yet Trent and White simply didn't have the burst needed to be productive. The difference with Henry is his size and strength may allow him to overcome his lack of burst. Me personally, I wouldn't take him until at least round 4-5.

Henry is pretty stiff and doesnt change directions very well.  Give him a lane and he is tough to bring down.  But he isnt going to create anything himself.  

Henry is a guy that one cuts and is the definition of a north-south guy. If he is there in the 3rd I wouldn't be opposed to taking him. He would he the back we were supposed to get with Gerhart. 3rd round for us..although we do have more needs

Quote:That proves nothing and was precisely the point I would have never drafted Yeldon. At all times, Henry looked like the better player in the backfield. Although not a true starter, it was definitely a split backfield. He only had 20 less carries than Yeldon. Even on touchdowns but that's basically it. Henry had more rush yards, a better rushing average, and less fumbles.


More important to me was how Henry shined in the big games while Yeldon just lingered along. In the SEC championship game 141 yards, 7.1 average, 2 tds. Playoff game 95 yards, 7.3 average, 1 td.

Yeldon only combined for 94 yards in both those games and was virtually nonexistent.

You do know Yeldon was hurt at the end of last year. Did not think so.

Look at 2012 and 2013 big games Yeldon all over the place. Our problem is STILL OL

Quote:That proves nothing and was precisely the point I would have never drafted Yeldon. At all times, Henry looked like the better player in the backfield. Although not a true starter, it was definitely a split backfield. He only had 20 less carries than Yeldon. Even on touchdowns but that's basically it. Henry had more rush yards, a better rushing average, and less fumbles.


More important to me was how Henry shined in the big games while Yeldon just lingered along. In the SEC championship game 141 yards, 7.1 average, 2 tds. Playoff game 95 yards, 7.3 average, 1 td.

Yeldon only combined for 94 yards in both those games and was virtually nonexistent.

 

TJ injured his groin in the LSU game during the play where he fumbled. He was maybe at 75-80% the rest of the season and still wasn't fully healthy during the playoff game even with the layoff.

Henry is a mixture of Eric Dickerson & Earl Campbell.   He runs kind of upright like Dickerson but has the power of Campbell.   That said, I just don't think those types of runners can last long in the NFL.  I think he'd be a good fit to replace LaGarrette Blount of the Patriots.

Quote:We'll have to disagree. At no time did Henry every look like the better NFL prospect to me. He basically has the same average per rush as Trent Richardson and Lendale White's average puts Henry's to shame. I'm looking at their last year in college. Yet Trent and White simply didn't have the burst needed to be productive. The difference with Henry is his size and strength may allow him to overcome his lack of burst. Me personally, I wouldn't take him until at least round 4-5.

 

You can't look at just rush average.  Derrick Henry's rush average is significantly better than Adrian Peterson's college rush average.  

 

The issue with Richardson wasn't athletic ability - he had plenty of burst and is a very good athlete.  The issue with him and Lendale was what's in between the ears.  The inability to play within a system and make the right reads combined with the lack of work ethic doomed them.  Trent was an open field runner - if you give him space he can make people look silly.  Unfortunately for him, NFL offensive lines aren't as dominant as his line was at Alabama.

 

Derrick Henry is another stiff big back, but he does have some elusiveness to him.  He has some smoothness which looks like came from Yeldon.  He has the ability to make hard cuts and leave people whiffing (just look at his last game against LSU).  His issue is going to be that he is a build to speed guy.  He can make a guy miss, but he's not fast enough afterwards to make a second guy miss and take advantage.  Like you said, the one thing he has going for him is his rare size.  He isn't just a big back.  He's quite a bit bigger than Steven Jackson big.  We've never seen a running back as big as him that is as highly touted as him.  Normally you say that a back won't be able to bull over NFL defenders the way he did in college, but Derrick Henry will still be bigger than most NFL linebackers and the size of small pass rushers.  Late first.

I love Derrick Henry.  I think someone is going to take a chance on him a bit earlier than a lot of people think, and of all the Bama rb's, I think he pans out.

First off, I think we are comparing two different type of backs. With that said, Henry has all the tools to succeed in the next level. This guy is a workhorse. Second best power clean on Alabama with 345 pounds, a 440lb bench press, 500 lb squat and a 35 inch vertical jump. His speed is way undervalued. He's a faster back than Yeldon yet being a bit more heavier. His 4.50 40 was one of the fastest on the team. In fact, compared to last year's combine only 3 backs ran faster. They weighed almost 35 pounds less though.


It's true though he is a one-cut downhill runner and isn't as elusive as Yeldon. I think Henry's big plus, and what scouts have loved him for, is his pass protection. He's a 3 down back in the NFL.