Quote:Is it though? YES.
IMO, twoTDs to Hurns were garbage time (one vs. Pats, one last week). Also, his production in the 1st half (and the drop off) to the 2nd half has been well documented. It's not like he's slinging TDs left and right in crunch time.
What you are describing is still much less garbage time production than last year. Which was my point.
I never said anything about slinging crunch time TDs. Just less garbage time production.
In years past there was always a capable running back who would gobble up TD's near the goaline. One rushing TD through 7 games? Has to be last in the league.
Quote:What you are describing is still much less garbage time production than last year. Which was my point.
I never said anything about slinging crunch time TDs. Just less garbage time production.
And what I was trying to say is that there's less garbage time production since there's been, well less garbage time.
It would be one thing if he's actually playing well in the 2nd half (even if he's not getting TDs). You can make a case that he practically ended our chances vs. Carolina, Houston, and Indy (or was it Tampa?) with pick 6s...the same mistakes he was making last season.
He's improved and made some plays in the 1st half. Now we need him to take the next step and remain more consistent throughout an entire game. The next step would be consistency from game to game.
Quote:And what I was trying to say is that there's less garbage time production since there's been, well less garbage time.
It would be one thing if he's actually playing well in the 2nd half (even if he's not getting TDs). You can make a case that he practically ended our chances vs. Carolina, Houston, and Indy (or was it Tampa?) with pick 6s...the same mistakes he was making last season.
He's improved and made some plays in the 1st half. Now we need him to take the next step and remain more consistent throughout an entire game. The next step would be consistency from game to game.
Yeah. This can turn into a chicken and egg type of convoluted discussion quickly, but there has obviously been less garbage time overall. Sometimes that's
because of Blake's improved play even if just in the first half , and sometimes it's in spite of his picks. Works both ways.
Quote:Is it though? IMO, twoTDs to Hurns were garbage time (one vs. Pats, one last week). Also, his production in the 1st half (and the drop off) to the 2nd half has been well documented. It's not like he's slinging TDs left and right in crunch time.
Are you talkikng about the TD to Hurns in the 3rd quarter? That wasn't garbage time.
And there was no "garbage time" last week. You realize we were a blown onside kick "offside" call away from winning that game in the final minute right?
Some of you guys, I'm tellin' ya...
Quote:All time NFL Pick 6 leaders in 2030
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1 Brett Favre
2. Blake Bortles
2 Dan Marino
3 Joe Namath
4 Peyton Manning
5. Eli Manning
Blake is a risk taker in the mold of Farve. I'll take it.
Thats my prediction. Hopefully he plays well enough and long enough to get there. A SB would be good too.
Quote:Are you talkikng about the TD to Hurns in the 3rd quarter? That wasn't garbage time.
And there was no "garbage time" last week. You realize we were a blown onside kick "offside" call away from winning that game in the final minute right?
Some of you guys, I'm tellin' ya...
halfway through the 3rd quarter down 30 to 3. That's garbage time, especially when you watch that game and know the actual context.
Down 17 (thanks to Blake's pick 6) with 7 mins left in the game? Sorry, I don't know what team you think you've been watching, but I'm pretty sure 99% of the fanbase knew that game was over as soon as Blake threw that pick 6.
A blown onside kick call away from winning the game? We lost by 11 points. Even after Hurns' TD, we STILL needed either two TDs or a TD, 2 PT conversion, and a kick to win that game. Not to mention Blake threw another horrible INT at the end.
Blake has made improvements, but his 2nd half play has not been good at all, and probably cost us those three games. Kinda like last year when he lost us Miami and Pittsburgh with questionable decision making late in the game.
Quote:All time NFL Pick 6 leaders.
1 Brett Favre
2 Dan Marino
3 Joe Namath
4 Peyton Manning
Blake is a risk taker in the mold of Farve. I'll take it.
I mentioned this last week (or maybe two weeks ago). Blake has the same mindset as Farve in that he's a gunslinger. Only thing is, he doesn't have Brett's arm (which in his prime was ELITE).
I really want Bortles to improve his completion rating. That's all.
Quote:Yeah. This can turn into a chicken and egg type of convoluted discussion quickly, but there has obviously been less garbage time overall. Sometimes that's because of Blake's improved play even if just in the first half , and sometimes it's in spite of his picks. Works both ways.
I'm not going to deny he's made improvements. I just don't think its a stat that fairly represents the actual situation just because of the relatively small sample size of what would be considered "garbage time" this season compared to last season.
Quote:I really want Bortles to improve his completion rating. That's all.
I think part of it is his mentality. I have a feeling that Blake is the opposite of Garrard and Henne in that he doesn't look to check down...almost to a fault.
When nearly half of your passes are going to ARob and Hurns AND both players are averaging over 16 yards per catch? That's so rare that your top two receivers are accounting for that many looks and still averaging that high.
Last season, Denver's high powered offense of Thomas/Sanders didn't do it (neither one hit 15 in fact). Baltimore had two speedsters in the Smiths and a QB known for the deep ball, and they didn't hit 16 (Torrey was at 15.7). Steelers with Brown/Bryant didn't do it.
Two seasons ago, Thomas and Decker didn't do it.
I mean, if they sustain this rate, both ARob and Hurns would be in the top 5 per catch average the past three seasons. This is unprecedented stuff here. And while I would like to believe that these two are just having ridiculous seasons, we all know this isn't the case.
Bortles has the 2nd lowest percentage in the league....Cam Newton I think..
Quote:I'm not going to deny he's made improvements. I just don't think its a stat that fairly represents the actual situation just because of the relatively small sample size of what would be considered "garbage time" this season compared to last season.
Yeah - you are missing my point while trying to make an unrelated one. That's fine.
I'm simply happy that we are able to see more respectable stats from the kid
that aren't tainted by garbage time as much as they would have been last year at this point. I'm really not attributing it to him -- simply glad that we are seeing a purer stat line that also happens to be improved.
Looking at his improved numbers and
also not having to deduct so much garbage time stuff is a good thing. That's all.
Quote:Yeah - you are missing my point while trying to make an unrelated one. That's fine.
I'm simply happy that we are able to see more respectable stats from the kid that aren't tainted by garbage time as much as they would have been last year at this point. I'm really not attributing it to him -- simply glad that we are seeing a purer stat line that also happens to be improved.
Looking at his improved numbers and also not having to deduct so much garbage time stuff is a good thing. That's all.
Wanna fight about it?
Quote:Wanna fight about it?
Pistols.
Dawn.
Modis.
You are so on.
Wait, will the hot dog cart be there that early?
Bortles is going to be just fine. The number that sticks out to me is completion percentage. It's at 55% that has to get better.
Bortles gives this team something we've not had in a long time, excitement on offense. He's no Mr. Check down, if anything he doesn't check down enough! He, and our other young guns, are really fun to watch.
I think he will throw for 35 TD and 15 INT. I hope the INT will drop but I believe he is a gun slinger and he will learn by only throwing INT.
Quote:Bortles is going to be just fine. The number that sticks out to me is completion percentage. It's at 55% that has to get better.
Yes. It really must. While I'm sure the drops are part of the problem, Bortles does the number no favors by throwing behind or too high for receivers quite often. A number of Robinson's impressive grabs this season should have been more routine with an accurate pass.