1st problem with the defense is the scheme. We essentially have 1.5 pass rushers at all times on the field.
DE - Jared Odrick is a DT. He is not a pass rusher in anyway shape or form. I understand the role they want him to play but it isnt working because our run defense is putrid we constantly get gashed. On the other side which is really our only pass rusher we have a committee of ( Davis, Clemons, Branch, Alualu etc.) None of these guys consistently get to the QB. IMO Ryan Davis and Chris Smith are our best pass rushers and they dont see the field
DT - Marks gets the job done. Roy Miller sole purpose for being on the field is to take up space. Again Miller isnt a pass rusher at all nor is he stopping the run so pretty much he's a waste of space.
LB - Skuta is suppose to be this hybrid run stuffer/pass rusher. The guy was a 3-4 LB his whole career and we brought him here to play in a 4-3 I dont get it. He's done a average job thus far taking jnto account he's playing out of position. Poz and Smith get the job done. They could be better but their the best we got.
DBs - Cyprien is wildly inconsistent. CB's suffer from lack of pass rush and skill. FS is wildly inconsistent also.
IMO the scheme beginning from the trenches is horrible. That blueprint needs to be scrapped and we need to play a traditional 4-3 ala Bills, Bengals, Seahawks I know the Jags dont have their talent but the things their asking some of the players to do isnt working and is kinda stupid. We need guys straight up playing their natural position. No BS Thoughts?
I feel like we're trying to invent the wheel on defense rather than play a traditional 4-3
Odrick will improve as the play around him does. Frankly, if the players inside were doing anything to stop the run other than politely asking backs to take a knee, he wouldn't be the whipping boy that he is around here.
Miller sucks. I chalked it up to injury last year, but this year he's just been terrible. His spot needs to be addressed in the offseason.
Skuta was brought in specifically because he'd been in a 3-4. The Otto's job is very similar to that of a 3-4 OLB. Again, Skuta is getting no help from the defensive line.
The defensive backs are playing some terrible football right now. All of them. McCray's absence from even the nickel set is insane. I don't know if he kicked the Bradleys' dog or something, but I just can't believe that he went from future star to worse than Gratz in one offseason.
I honestly think Skuta, Odrick, Marks, Telvin Smith and Fowler are 3-4 players. I'll be pretty excited if the new HC brings in a 3-4 guy to fix the defense.
Quote:I honestly think Skuta, Odrick, Marks, Telvin Smith and Fowler are 3-4 players. I'll be pretty excited if the new HC brings in a 3-4 guy to fix the defense.
I could see that
Quote:Odrick will improve as the play around him does. Frankly, if the players inside were doing anything to stop the run other than politely asking backs to take a knee, he wouldn't be the whipping boy that he is around here.
Miller sucks. I chalked it up to injury last year, but this year he's just been terrible. His spot needs to be addressed in the offseason.
Skuta was brought in specifically because he'd been in a 3-4. The Otto's job is very similar to that of a 3-4 OLB. Again, Skuta is getting no help from the defensive line.
The defensive backs are playing some terrible football right now. All of them. McCray's absence from even the nickel set is insane. I don't know if he kicked the Bradleys' dog or something, but I just can't believe that he went from future star to worse than Gratz in one offseason.
Yeah no one in the jags media has really addressed whats going on there. I think McCray is at the least our 2nd best CB. It could be personal but I dont see Gus as the type to hold Grudges.
the defense is not a traditional 3-4 it's a hybrid which is why you see both types of guys.
Quote:I honestly think Skuta, Odrick, Marks, Telvin Smith and Fowler are 3-4 players. I'll be pretty excited if the new HC brings in a 3-4 guy to fix the defense.
I don't see how Marks or Telvin are 3-4 players. Fowler and Odrick can play in any scheme. Skuta is the only one that is really 3-4 and it doesn't matter because the role he plays here is essentially the same thing.
Quote:Skuta was brought in specifically because he'd been in a 3-4. The Otto's job is very similar to that of a 3-4 OLB. Again, Skuta is getting no help from the defensive line.
Next year the Jaguars will have two starting caliber 3-4 OLBs in Skuta and Fowler Jr.
I really like Skuta, whenever he gets an opportunity he does very well. I'd like to see the next Jaguars head coach at least evaluate the talent we have and the talent available for a 3-4 defense next year.
Well I guess that holds true for the base alignment.
I'd say it looks a bit different in pass rushing situations though.
Quote:Yeah no one in the jags media has really addressed whats going on there. I think McCray is at the least our 2nd best CB. It could be personal but I dont see Gus as the type to hold Grudges.
I think he looks at Seahawks CB's and McCray doesn't remind him of any of them, so that must mean he can't play CB because y'know the LoB is (was) phenomenal.
This Seattle scheme is awful now, it worked for Seattle for a few years because it was new, the same as chip Kelly's offense, then teams plan for it and shut it down.
The offenses beat you on the intermediate routes and then torch you deep when you push up, this has been evident in Seattle also and they actually have a competent pash Rush..
Quote:I honestly think Skuta, Odrick, Marks, Telvin Smith and Fowler are 3-4 players. I'll be pretty excited if the new HC brings in a 3-4 guy to fix the defense.
In theory, the scheme Bradley brought from Seattle is billed as a 3-4 scheme disguised as a 4-3. The OTTO and LEO and basically 3-4 OLBs.
Quote:Well I guess that holds true for the base alignment.
I'd say it looks a bit different in pass rushing situations though.
The biggest problem with our pass-rush formation is that the ends are Clemons and Branch and they are useless. They really need to be losing snaps to Davis, Smith, and Skuta on passing downs at least.
Quote:Odrick will improve as the play around him does. Frankly, if the players inside were doing anything to stop the run other than politely asking backs to take a knee, he wouldn't be the whipping boy that he is around here.
Miller sucks. I chalked it up to injury last year, but this year he's just been terrible. His spot needs to be addressed in the offseason.
Skuta was brought in specifically because he'd been in a 3-4. The Otto's job is very similar to that of a 3-4 OLB. Again, Skuta is getting no help from the defensive line.
The defensive backs are playing some terrible football right now. All of them. McCray's absence from even the nickel set is insane. I don't know if he kicked the Bradleys' dog or something, but I just can't believe that he went from future star to worse than Gratz in one offseason.
Miller sucks? I think that Jeff Lageman and Tony Boselli have both been pretty consistent in saying he has been pretty good against the run. That's what i've seen. The guy is a nose tackle, he's not going to light up the sack sheet.
As for the defense, The OP is somewhat correct. in the base 4 lineman there is one DPR in the LEO and the other three are positions that should make it hard to run against a defense in the base package so that you can get to your lighting package in third and long. That's why in a system such as this an injury to a guy like fowler is pretty devestating. Last year was probably the last good year left in Clem and Marks was able to generate another 8 sacks from the 3 technique and that was the engine that drove the sack production. Right now you're not getting that.
In a perfect world your Strongside end would be a guy like Mohamed Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson or Leonard Williams who can generate a lot of rush even though you don't play completely on the edge and you would have a healthy guy like Marks to get pressure from the inside.
On this team, the problem right now Isn't exactly the scheme. The problem right now is that we can only name one or two guys on the ROSTER who can win one on one in pass rush situations and no one is winning one on one consistently.
As for reinventing the wheel, this is a hybrid system between the 4-3 and the 3-4. So far that hybrid hasn't worked well because you don't have the Jamie Collins type hybrid players that are playing at an elite level. This isn't just about rearanging the deck chairs.
Quote:Miller sucks? I think that Jeff Lageman and Tony Boselli have both been pretty consistent in saying he has been pretty good against the run. That's what i've seen. The guy is a nose tackle, he's not going to light up the sack sWheet.
I don't expect Miller to light up the sack sheet, but I do expect him to make the tackle when RBs run right at him, and he's been failing to do that much. As starting NTs go in this league, yeah he sucks. Miller is routinely blocked out of plays as RBs go right up the gut. Last week when he did get his hands on Foster we saw him slip right off the RB utterly failing to make the tackle, and another time I noticed him beat a block but too late as a dive toward the RB ended with him eating dirt. I'm hoping Sen'Derrick's presence will help him do his job, but what this team really needs is a dominant nose tackle. Abry Jones, quite frankly, appears more adept at getting the job done and should probably replace Miller as the starter.
Now if Lags or TBo really think he's doing good against the run, I'd like to know what they're seeing. Maybe Lags can go to his smart board and show us because I just keep seeing whiffs.
Quote:I honestly think Skuta, Odrick, Marks, Telvin Smith and Fowler are 3-4 players. I'll be pretty excited if the new HC brings in a 3-4 guy to fix the defense.
It's not like the Jaguars come out in a 4-3 on every play. I mean its not Madden they dont have to pick a formation such as 3-4 or 4-3 and say have to play from that every game. They want guys like DT Roy Miller whom they can put at NT or Skuta in SOLB 3-4 formation if the Opposing Offense shows a personnel grouping that favors it..
The Safety position and CB has been far too weak on this team for too many years, especially since GM Dave Caldwell & HC Gus Bradley took the helm, of course the lack of pass rush does make their job harder ... but to be the leagues worst in PDs & INTs all three seasons... sounds like coaching..
Quote:Next year the Jaguars will have two starting caliber 3-4 OLBs in Skuta and Fowler Jr.
I really like Skuta, whenever he gets an opportunity he does very well. I'd like to see the next Jaguars head coach at least evaluate the talent we have and the talent available for a 3-4 defense next year.
*3 (Bosa)
Also too bad our best defensive player would literally be useless in a 3-4. Telvin also isn't anywhere near big enough to play even ILB in a 3-4.
Quote:In theory, the scheme Bradley brought from Seattle is billed as a 3-4 scheme disguised as a 4-3. The OTTO and LEO and basically 3-4 OLBs.
The only positions on the front 7 that wouldn't translate to a 3-4 are the 3-tech (Marks) and 4-3 WLB (Telvin). Unfortunately those two are pretty big parts of our defense.
All due respect i disagree. Nose tackles have to hold the point against the double team. The fact that hes getting hits on the ball carrier consistently is evidence of that. The rb is free to go left or right. The nr is sandwiched between 650 pounds of guard and center. He may not be avle to consistently square up and bring the guy down but the fact that he holds the point consistently is why we are #1 in ypc allowed.
We need to hire Mike Ditka as HC and Buddy Ryan as DC and run the 46 Bears D. Chammmmppiiooonnnsshiiiipppp.
Our putrid run defense?
#1 in yds/carry allowed
#14 in yds/gm
That defense?!?