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Chris Smith was a 5th rd pick?

 

He is not our pass rush savior.

 

There is still time to trade for Willie Young. 

Quote:Chris Smith was a 5th rd pick?

 

He is not our pass rush savior.

 

There is still time to trade for Willie Young. 

 

Willie Young is like 30

Quote:Willie Young is like 30

And Chris Clemons is turning 34 in 8 days

Quote:And Chris Clemons is turning 34 in 8 days

Exactly. They have no motor in them. Why trade for Willie Young?

Quote:Exactly. They have no motor in them. Why trade for Willie Young?

From Rotoworld:

 

"Pro Football Talk reports Bears OLB Willie Young requested a trade following the departure of Jared Allen last week.

 

Young was active and played snaps Week 4 against the Raiders after being a healthy scratch Week 3. Like Allen, Young has been miscast as a 3-4 outside linebacker, but he would be a great addition for a 4-3 team in need of pass rush help. Young is scheduled to make base salaries of $2.45 million this year and next. Oct 4 - 9:34 PM"

 

He doesn't want to be in Chicago anymore and he would be a perfect fit for our 4-3 defense. And he had 10 sacks last year. And he can't be any worse than Andre Branch or Chris Clemons this season.

Quote:The maximum number of active players on game day is 46 IIRC. So if less than 7 players are out with injuries, there must be a few healthy scratches. All teams have to deactivate some healthy players because of that rule.

 

Can someone confirm or deny this? If true, that explains why Chris Smith was inactive for two weeks.

Chris Smith has been inactive because, while Andre Branch undeniably sucks, the coaching staff believes that Smith sucks even more. I saw nothing that led me to disagree.

 

Quote:Chris Smith was a 5th rd pick?

 

He is not our pass rush savior.

 

There is still time to trade for Willie Young. 

Let's talk about Willie Young. He had ten sacks last year as a rotational pass-rushing end. That's pretty good. I'd take that. But let's look at the rest of his career:

 

2015: One sack through six games.

2013: 15 starts, 3 sacks

2012: No starts, no sacks

2011: No starts, 3 sacks

2010: Barely saw the field

 

So what we're doing here is getting excited about a one-year wonder. The only time he was counted on as a 16-game starter, he racked up a grand total of three sacks. Three.

 

Now let's talk about the reality of Willie Young. Willie is a 30-year-old backup tweener. Even if he does still have it in him to regain his 2014 form and pick up, say, six or seven sacks over the remainder of the year, he's not a long-term building block. As bad as the Jaguars are, the last thing we should be doing is trading away draft picks for band-aid veterans.

 

"But TJ, he's better than Andre Branch!"

 

Yeah? Well, so's my grandmother, but I wouldn't give up a draft pick for her either.

Quote:So what we're doing here is getting excited about a one-year wonder. The only time he was counted on as a 16-game starter, he racked up a grand total of three sacks. Three.

 

Now let's talk about the reality of Willie Young. Willie is a 30-year-old backup tweener. Even if he does still have it in him to regain his 2014 form and pick up, say, six or seven sacks over the remainder of the year, he's not a long-term building block. As bad as the Jaguars are, the last thing we should be doing is trading away draft picks for band-aid veterans.

 

You wouldn't trade a conditional 6th or 7th pick? We have more talent on our team than in years past and after another free agency spending spree and the first couple rounds of drafting, I believe we'll be looking for more depth in the later rounds. I could live with one less Storm Johnson if it meant getting someone who can put either Clemons or Branch on the bench and rush the passer.

Quote:Chris Smith has been inactive because, while Andre Branch undeniably sucks, the coaching staff believes that Smith sucks even more. I saw nothing that led me to disagree.

 

Let's talk about Willie Young. He had ten sacks last year as a rotational pass-rushing end. That's pretty good. I'd take that. But let's look at the rest of his career:

 

2015: One sack through six games.

2013: 15 starts, 3 sacks

2012: No starts, no sacks

2011: No starts, 3 sacks

2010: Barely saw the field

 

So what we're doing here is getting excited about a one-year wonder. The only time he was counted on as a 16-game starter, he racked up a grand total of three sacks. Three.

 

Now let's talk about the reality of Willie Young. Willie is a 30-year-old backup tweener. Even if he does still have it in him to regain his 2014 form and pick up, say, six or seven sacks over the remainder of the year, he's not a long-term building block. As bad as the Jaguars are, the last thing we should be doing is trading away draft picks for band-aid veterans.

 

"But TJ, he's better than Andre Branch!"

 

Yeah? Well, so's my grandmother, but I wouldn't give up a draft pick for her either.

In an attempt to fix our sad rotational pass rush now? Yeah, I'd gladly give up a 6th for him (That's what Allen got them right?)

Plenty of players "blossom" later in their careers. Especially when playing in a scheme fit.

 

Yes he is 30... I'm not saying he is our long term fixture. Young>Smith is where I'm at. Instead of bringing Chris Smith to the active roster, maybe work a deal for a proven rusher.

Young/Clem/Branch at Leo this season

Fowler/Young/Smith or new draft pick next season

Trade a pick for a 30 year old?  Not just no but hell no.  Folks, we are one and five and very far from win now mode.  It's all about the future.  The ONLY reason you trade for a guy nearing the end of his career is if you think he can put you over the hump as a contender.  This team needs to keep building thru the draft.

Coaching staff, coaching staff, coaching staff..... That's been our problem for the last 5-6 years (minus some GM incompetence). We have had talented players, but our coaching staffs have been inexperienced and ignorant to not know how to utilize them. Past players we let go because of age or scheme fit:

 

Daryl Smith - Would have been a great experienced LB to our younger inexperienced LBs (minus Poz). Goes to Baltimore and kills it. Currently, I'm not sure how he's doing, but he should still have been JAG.

 

Rashean Mathis - One of my all-time favorite JAGS! Yes, he's not what he was and has been getting burnt in Detroit as of late, but he had a good couple of years after we let him go.

 

Justin Forsett - Didn't produce much while here, but when he goes to Baltimore....what happens?

 

Leroy Reynolds - I'm not sure of his ceiling, but he was great on ST and was good LB depth. Not sure how he's doing in Chicago, but I scratched my head on his release.

 

Now we have last year's top CB McCray on the bench, now House is on the bench, Ryan Davis has time cut, we play Slowby more than Denard :\, and we've lost 3 games in a row that should have been W's. After a while, I can't help but to question things. I hope we turn it around and I'm completely wrong! But I just don't see it happening....

 

GO JAGS!!

Quote:According to Boselli et al. Gus deems Davis too valuable on special teams to have him at LEO.


 

Another example of the Gus Bradley mentality.

 

Yeah I heard that. Apparently only 8 snaps on defence last game. I understand if they feel he's most effective rushing from the interior on passing downs as opposed to being a full time LEO, but 8 snaps? It doesn't add up.

Quote:From Rotoworld:

 

"Pro Football Talk reports Bears OLB Willie Young requested a trade following the departure of Jared Allen last week.

 

Young was active and played snaps Week 4 against the Raiders after being a healthy scratch Week 3. Like Allen, Young has been miscast as a 3-4 outside linebacker, but he would be a great addition for a 4-3 team in need of pass rush help. Young is scheduled to make base salaries of $2.45 million this year and next. Oct 4 - 9:34 PM"

 

He doesn't want to be in Chicago anymore and he would be a perfect fit for our 4-3 defense. And he had 10 sacks last year. And he can't be any worse than Andre Branch or Chris Clemons this season.

We don't need Young. Our roster is "built".... Remember?

Quote:From Rotoworld:

 

"Pro Football Talk reports Bears OLB Willie Young requested a trade following the departure of Jared Allen last week.

 

Young was active and played snaps Week 4 against the Raiders after being a healthy scratch Week 3. Like Allen, Young has been miscast as a 3-4 outside linebacker, but he would be a great addition for a 4-3 team in need of pass rush help. Young is scheduled to make base salaries of $2.45 million this year and next. Oct 4 - 9:34 PM"

 

He doesn't want to be in Chicago anymore and he would be a perfect fit for our 4-3 defense. And he had 10 sacks last year. And he can't be any worse than Andre Branch or Chris Clemons this season.

 

 

While we're at it, the Jaguars might want to bring in Jeremiah Ratliff to challenge Roy Miller at NT. Ratliff was released after a personal dispute with the team's GM but he's a top notch starter in this league. The Bears, ironically, replaced him on their roster with Ziggy Hood.

THERE'S NOTHING WRONNG WITH MILLER!!!

He's one of the few doing his job correctly...


Edit 1-Ask Cowboys fans about Jay's attitude


Edit 2-Jay was good because of Ware and the scheme he played in had him one gapping. Roy 2 gaps with the best of them...

Quote:You wouldn't trade a conditional 6th or 7th pick?

Quote:In an attempt to fix our sad rotational pass rush now? Yeah, I'd gladly give up a 6th for him

If the Jaguars looked to be a player or two away from 9-7, sure. If Young were a couple years younger, sure. But we're not a couple players away from 9-7. We're a couple of good players away from 4-12.

 

What does acquiring Young do, other than costing us a shot at another Demetrius McCray? Maybe win us a game with a key sack before being released in the offseason? If we're destined to be terrible, I'd rather not spend draft picks on aging veterans who have hit the downslope of their career. If Young were a few years younger and still looked to have a bright future ahead of him, by all means spend the pick...but if he were a young player thought to have loads of potential, his name wouldn't be connected to a sixth-round pick...

Quote:While we're at it, the Jaguars might want to bring in Jeremiah Ratliff to challenge Roy Miller at NT. Ratliff was released after a personal dispute with the team's GM but he's a top notch starter in this league. The Bears, ironically, replaced him on their roster with Ziggy Hood.

Ratliff was escorted from the stadium by security and/or police (who were called to the scene because of Ratliff's argument with GM Ryan Pace). If the Jaguars are desperate enough to bring that in, it's an admission of defeat by Caldwell.

Quote:THERE'S NOTHING WRONNG WITH MILLER!!!

He's one of the few doing his job correctly...


Edit 1-Ask Cowboys fans about Jay's attitude


Edit 2-Jay was good because of Ware and the scheme he played in had him one gapping. Roy 2 gaps with the best of them...

 

 

I guess if you call being routinely blown out of the middle to allow for huge runs up the gut doing his job correctly.

Quote:I guess if you call being routinely blown out of the middle to allow for huge runs up the gut doing his job correctly.

Again with bad "facts".

#1 in the league in yds/carry against.

He's the lynchpin..

Smith is horrible.

 

Davis needs more snaps.

Quote:Again with bad "facts".

#1 in the league in yds/carry against.

He's the lynchpin..

 

 

They started out playing a bunch of teams with no running game. Over the past two weeks they've allowed 278 yards rushing on 71 carries for a 3.9 ypc. What's more glaring is the total amount of rushing yards which at 139 yards per game would have them ranked 30th ahead of only the Dolphins and Browns, but the 3.9 ypc stat would have them ranked in a tie for 14th, which also happens to be right about where their rush yards per game ranks overall.


 

After their horrendous run D performance against the Bucs, I watched the DL more closely last week vs the Texans, and I saw a number of plays where Miller was simply pushed aside with ease allowing runs right up the middle.