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By now we all know Pierce has been officially diagnosed with a concussion which explains the reason for the block he committed on the punt return. 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ange-play/

 

The questions is do players begin to play less aggressive knowing in the back of their mind this coaching staff dosent have the proper protocol or knowledge of knowing when someone is seriously hurt and cannot continue to play.

 

Earlier this season in the opener against Carolina with the game already out of hand late in the 4th quarter, Bortles threw a dangerous pass over the middle to Greene which was incomplete leaving Rashard injured. 

 

 

Gus is a lameduck

Of course the players will be apathetic

So it's Gus' fault Blake threw a dangerous pass ro his slot reciever or that Pierce suffered a concussion that even he wasn't aware of when he got hit to cause it?


I'm fed up with the coaching too, but idk how those are Gus' fault.

Is Gus a doctor?

 

It's on the medical and training staff to determine if a player is concussed.  If they suspect that's the case, they sit him and let the coach know. 

 

If a QB throws a ball in a location that is setting a player up for injury, how is that on Gus exactly? 

 

Some people are really reaching now.  There's plenty to be unhappy about with the coaching.  These two examples aren't part of that.

Quote:Is Gus a doctor?


It's on the medical and training staff to determine if a player is concussed. If they suspect that's the case, they sit him and let the coach know.


If a QB throws a ball in a location that is setting a player up for injury, how is that on Gus exactly?


Some people are really reaching now. There's plenty to be unhappy about with the coaching. These two examples aren't part of that.

Yup. I don't understand this one. Not to mention the Carolina game was never "out of hand"

Quote:Is Gus a doctor?

 

It's on the medical and training staff to determine if a player is concussed.  If they suspect that's the case, they sit him and let the coach know. 

 

If a QB throws a ball in a location that is setting a player up for injury, how is that on Gus exactly? 

 

Some people are really reaching now.  There's plenty to be unhappy about with the coaching.  These two examples aren't part of that.

I agree with you on this... This thread is just more "rah rah rabble rabble". 

 

Trust me, I am discontent with Gus but not for things that he cannot control.

 

OP is :

 

Quote:Is Gus a doctor?

 

It's on the medical and training staff to determine if a player is concussed.  If they suspect that's the case, they sit him and let the coach know. 

 

If a QB throws a ball in a location that is setting a player up for injury, how is that on Gus exactly? 

 

Some people are really reaching now.  There's plenty to be unhappy about with the coaching.  These two examples aren't part of that.

 

Gus has to communicate with the coaching staff, who has to communicate with the training staff the health of players in real time.

 

Even with the new concussion protocol  in place, there is a reason why the league comes down HARD on the coaching staff, they are ultimately responsible for the players heath during the game because they are the closet accessible to gauge the situation.

same schtick different thread

Quote:Gus has to communicate with the coaching staff, who has to communicate with the training staff the health of players in real time.

 

Even with the new concussion protocol  in place, there is a reason why the league comes down HARD on the coaching staff, they are ultimately responsible for the players heath during the game because they are the closet accessible to gauge the situation.

 

This is the classic non-response. "Yeah, but Gus......."

 

Gus doesn't throw the footballs into bad spots.  Gus doesn't triage injured players to determine if they're concussed or not before clearing them to play.  Keep flailing away though.

Quote:Gus has to communicate with the coaching staff, who has to communicate with the training staff the health of players in real time.


Even with the new concussion protocol in place, there is a reason why the league comes down HARD on the coaching staff, they are ultimately responsible for the players heath during the game because they are the closet accessible to gauge the situation.

You're reaching. Pierce didn't seem to have any symptoms until that block. Are they supposed to check for a concussion after every series?

One thing that needs to be noted here is that a Concussion is one of those injuries that can occur where the "patient" is the only one who is aware of it. Not trying to pile on top of Pierce here, but if he is feeling light-headed, dizzy, nauseous, etc., it's up to him to report to the Training Staff. Remember Russell Allen from a few years ago? He had the potential of dying on the field and no one knew about it but him. He didn't even mention it until after the game.

 

If the player doesn't come forward about it, how is anyone else supposed to know?

Quote:This is the classic non-response. "Yeah, but Gus......."

 

Gus doesn't throw the footballs into bad spots.  Gus doesn't triage injured players to determine if they're concussed or not before clearing them to play.  Keep flailing away though.

 

You are debating play, I am debating communication and how the protocol was handled, which are 2 separate issues. 

Quote:Gus has to communicate with the coaching staff, who has to communicate with the training staff the health of players in real time.


Even with the new concussion protocol in place, there is a reason why the league comes down HARD on the coaching staff, they are ultimately responsible for the players heath during the game because they are the closet accessible to gauge the situation.

Gus is too busy thinking about which toppings he wants for the postgame icecream. Dodging all questions related to what happened on the field, ummm gotta check the tape. Our mascot has higher awareness than Gus. By the time Gus figures out what's happening, it's too late to fix. So lousy in second halves for a reason

Quote:You are debating play, I am debating communication and how the protocol was handled, which are 2 separate issues. 

 

When a player is injured, the communication rolls up hill to the head coach on the sideline.  Not the other way around.  If a player is suspected to be concussed, the medical staff will test him.  If he fails the test, protocol requires him to be sidelined.  At that point, the coach is notified.  If they don't determine he's concussed on the sideline, what are you expecting the coach to do?  Telepathically determine this on his own?  What's his medical background to do so exactly?

 

Again, you're grasping at air here.  There are more than enough things to be aggravated about with the coaching.  You're looking for something new to whine about and you've missed the mark wildly. 

 

BTW, you're the one who mentioned the play in the OP.  So, if you're not debating the play, don't reference it.  Otherwise, it's part of the discussion.

Quote:Gus is too busy thinking about which toppings he wants for the postgame icecream. Dodging all questions related to what happened on the field, ummm gotta check the tape. Our mascot has higher awareness than Gus. By the time Gus figures out what's happening, it's too late to fix. So lousy in second halves for a reason

Yeah, those ice cream jokes are really fresh. 

Quote:Yeah, those ice cream jokes are really fresh.

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ESPN Reporter Mike DiRocco speaks about this in his article:

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">"...Jaguars medical personnel were unaware that he was experiencing concussion symptoms until Pierce told them about an hour after the game
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Quote:You're reaching. Pierce didn't seem to have any symptoms until that block. Are they supposed to check for a concussion after every series?

 

Quote:One thing that needs to be noted here is that a Concussion is one of those injuries that can occur where the "patient" is the only one who is aware of it. Not trying to pile on top of Pierce here, but if he is feeling light-headed, dizzy, nauseous, etc., it's up to him to report to the Training Staff. Remember Russell Allen from a few years ago? He had the potential of dying on the field and no one knew about it but him. He didn't even mention it until after the game.

 

If the player doesn't come forward about it, how is anyone else supposed to know?

 

Thats why the Independent neurologist was assigned to be on the sidelines. Their job is to watch and monitor certain actions of players who may show signs of a concussion. 

 

They relay that information to game officials if their needs to be a stoppage of game play to take the player in question out. 

 

Communication is relayed to trainers and coaches on signs a player may be suffering from or have a concussion and to be instructed to removed helmet, and other equipment to prevent player from reentering the game. 

 

The NFL has realized a large percentage of players are not able to determine themselves whether or not they may have suffered a concussion, hence the new protocol. 

Quote:Gus is too busy thinking about which toppings he wants for the postgame icecream. Dodging all questions related to what happened on the field, ummm gotta check the tape. Our mascot has higher awareness than Gus. By the time Gus figures out what's happening, it's too late to fix. So lousy in second halves for a reason

 

Although funny, the point hits home.

 

In his presser, the answers he gave were very vauge in regarding his awareness about Pierce's health, 

Quote:Thats why the Independent neurologist was assigned to be on the sidelines. Their job is to watch and monitor certain actions of players who may show signs of a concussion. 

 

They relay that information to game officials if their needs to be a stoppage of game play to take the player in question out. 

 

Communication is relayed to trainers and coaches on signs a player may be suffering from or have a concussion and to be instructed to removed helmet, and other equipment to prevent player from reentering the game. 

 

The NFL has realized a large percentage of players are not able to determine themselves whether or not they may have suffered a concussion, hence the new protocol. 

 

 

So Bradley's coaching style has impacted how the "independent neurologist" handles his business? Also, I know that there are concussion "spotters" at every game but I had no idea that each team has a neurologist on the sideline. Seems a bit excessive don't you think, especially seeing as how anyone can test a person for a concussion in about two minutes?