09-22-2015, 01:17 AM
Quote:You honestly think this Colts team will win any division in the NFL? The Jags, Titans, and Texans are all better than that pathetic football team that played tonight. That was BAD and embarrassing for the clots.
Yup!
09-22-2015, 01:17 AM
09-22-2015, 01:20 AM
Quote:Yup!No chance. Not unless they improve dramatically, and I don't think an offensive line magically fixes itself. The defense is pretty weak too, and Vontae didn't play like his usual self.
09-22-2015, 01:23 AM
Colts Warriors thinks they are a top team and Luck an elite QB though...
They can win the division because it stinks. But I think we will be better than them by the end of year as we have young players who can improve rather than past it old blokes.
They can win the division because it stinks. But I think we will be better than them by the end of year as we have young players who can improve rather than past it old blokes.
09-22-2015, 01:28 AM
Quote:Lol,, sry bout the self-quote. Just think it's funny that ESPN just showed the stat for the clots the past 2 years:
12-0 vs AFCS
10-12 vs NON-DIVISION OPPONENTS
HAHAHAHAHA!!
And they still have to play the Pats, Steelers, and Broncos this season.
Wow! Didn't think it was that slopsided.
09-22-2015, 08:00 AM
clot problems:
1. average to above average QB that is still prone to mistakes and is very innaccurate deep. QB likes to turn it over as much as Ryan Fitzpatrick and Derek Anderson.
2. RB's are OK, but aging. Not going to hold up over the entire season.
3. WRs... I can't believe they didn't try to sign Moses to the squad. Oh wait, I forgot Andre Johnson!
4. O-Line: Can't protect luck...
But yeah, they're a total lock for making the playoffs... LOL
1. average to above average QB that is still prone to mistakes and is very innaccurate deep. QB likes to turn it over as much as Ryan Fitzpatrick and Derek Anderson.
2. RB's are OK, but aging. Not going to hold up over the entire season.
3. WRs... I can't believe they didn't try to sign Moses to the squad. Oh wait, I forgot Andre Johnson!
4. O-Line: Can't protect luck...
But yeah, they're a total lock for making the playoffs... LOL
09-22-2015, 08:03 AM
I still think the Colts win division. Because, AFC South. But I don't think they go 6-0 in division games again this year. I could see them splitting each series with the Jags and the Titans.
09-22-2015, 08:21 AM
I was reading some of the clots MB and there were several posters saying that Luck just might be overrated. WOW, I wasn't expecting to see that on their board.
Over here, sure, but over there??
I know he had a really bad game and made turnovers like the head pastry chef at an Indy bakery, but still, I just didn't expect some of them to start turning on him after just 2 games.
He is lucky that he plays in the AFCS though, that's for sure.
Hopefully the Jags are getting better (and will get healthy too) and will be able to challenge for the AFCS in the very near future.
If the clots keep playing the way they are, I see some changes in their coaching ranks, possibly starting at the top with Pagano and/or the OC.
Over here, sure, but over there??
I know he had a really bad game and made turnovers like the head pastry chef at an Indy bakery, but still, I just didn't expect some of them to start turning on him after just 2 games.
He is lucky that he plays in the AFCS though, that's for sure.
Hopefully the Jags are getting better (and will get healthy too) and will be able to challenge for the AFCS in the very near future.
If the clots keep playing the way they are, I see some changes in their coaching ranks, possibly starting at the top with Pagano and/or the OC.
09-22-2015, 08:26 AM
Their main issue is their offensive line. They are horrible! Most of the bad plays on offense were a result of pressure on Luck. The Jets have a really good defensive line, but not that good.
I thought the Jets could have put this game away early in the third quarter if they wanted. They really got conservative at the end of the first half and into the second. Colts have a lot of things to figure out.
I agree with the few on here that say they think the Colts will still win the division. Unless the Jags can win some games that they aren't expected to I just think Luck is too good for this type of play to keep happening.
I thought the Jets could have put this game away early in the third quarter if they wanted. They really got conservative at the end of the first half and into the second. Colts have a lot of things to figure out.
I agree with the few on here that say they think the Colts will still win the division. Unless the Jags can win some games that they aren't expected to I just think Luck is too good for this type of play to keep happening.
09-22-2015, 08:27 AM
It definitely motivates all the other teams in the division. I don't think anyone fears that offense now.
09-22-2015, 08:27 AM
Quote:Just an awful game all over. I actually thought defense played very well tonight. Offense committed 5 turnovers and held Jets to 20 points. Other than that....
Luck was awful, Andre was awful, offensive line is horrendous, play calling was pathetic, discipline was embarrassing (many penalties wiped away big plays).
Hard to see the Colts really doing anything this year. I do believe the Colts will end up winning the division (because, AFC South), but hard to see the Colts doing anything once they get in. At least not right now.
Just to be clear, Andre IS awful, not WAS.
09-22-2015, 08:38 AM
Quote:I was reading some of the clots MB and there were several posters saying that Luck just might be overrated. WOW, I wasn't expecting to see that on their board.
Over here, sure, but over there??
I know he had a really bad game and made turnovers like the head pastry chef at an Indy bakery, but still, I just didn't expect some of them to start turning on him after just 2 games.
He is lucky that he plays in the AFCS though, that's for sure.
Hopefully the Jags are getting better (and will get healthy too) and will be able to challenge for the AFCS in the very near future.
If the clots keep playing the way they are, I see some changes in their coaching ranks, possibly starting at the top with Pagano and/or the OC.
I love Pep Hamilton and Pagano. I hope they are Colts for life. Pagano is overrated and gets a pass for being Chuck Nice, and Hamilton is a college coordinator like Fisch.
09-22-2015, 08:48 AM
Quote:When you say winning do you mean draft position? Luck is currently ranked the worst QB in the NFL and he's supposedly your best player. That Anderson D lineman looks your best player to me.
Quote:If you honestly believe Luck will be kept at this level, there is no hope for you.Make no mistake, I am thrilled to see the Colts at 0-2.
But as a Jaguars fan, I certainly am not gloating, for several reasons.
1. Luck and Indy are certainly capable of going on a tear and getting right back in it. They started 0-2 last year and still took the division...again.
2. Jacksonville has a long recent history of sucking
3. Jacksonville could very easily be behind Indy after week 4, though I sure hope not.
4. Jacksonville, like Indy, also has Buffalo and the Jets in back to back games. The big difference is we have a bye before the Jets. But against defenses of that caliber, we could end up looking just as bad as Indy did. But again, hopefully not.
09-22-2015, 08:51 AM
Quote:I was reading some of the clots MB and there were several posters saying that Luck just might be overrated. WOW, I wasn't expecting to see that on their board.The Jets and Bills both have outstanding defenses. They both have good DLs and good secondaries. They could give just about any team trouble.
Over here, sure, but over there??
I know he had a really bad game and made turnovers like the head pastry chef at an Indy bakery, but still, I just didn't expect some of them to start turning on him after just 2 games.
He is lucky that he plays in the AFCS though, that's for sure.
Hopefully the Jags are getting better (and will get healthy too) and will be able to challenge for the AFCS in the very near future.
If the clots keep playing the way they are, I see some changes in their coaching ranks, possibly starting at the top with Pagano and/or the OC.
Indy just happened to catch them back to back weeks to start the season.
09-22-2015, 08:57 AM
What I think is wrong with Indianapolis:
Fell into the one-dimensional trap - Seems like the Upper Management there wanted to surround Luck with as many weapons as they could and didn't really think about armor or distraction. Frank Gore has all the respect I can give him, but he isn't a workhorse any longer. Andre Johnson has something to prove, sure but does he have the tools to prove it? The Offensive Line group is rotating players in and out of there on a frightening basis and it's starting to show up in games. There were a few plays last night that Luck made simply due to his size and how tough he is to bring down.
Injuries - Yes, yes injuries are never an excuse but you can't go into a game facing Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall down four DBs and expect success. They are being hit in a critical area right now and they may need help from outside the Organization.
Lack of creativity - I base this on the team hiring Pep Hamilton as their OC as it seems like they were trying to get the most our of Luck. It's not that I think Hamilton is not qualified to be an NFL OC, but I feel like someone on the staff needs to try and open up new ideas instead of simply what was done in the past. The thing about the NFL is that you had better keep adding on threats and wrinkles to your attack or people are going to figure you out. And it is starting to feel like teams have got Indianapolis figured out.
Poor talent acquisition - I covered this a little in the "one dimensional" statement above, but this is more along the lines of drafting and Free Agency over recent years. Now, I don't follow Indianapolis all that much, but I do know that the past Grigson First Round draft picks have been spent on Bjorn Woerner, Trent Richardson, and Phillip Dorsett. While it's unreasonable to expect Dorsett to produce this early in his career from his position, Richardson isn't in the League any longer and I can't remember when the last time I saw Woerner play.
Here's the thing though, they got Luck. They might have surrounded him with sub-par talent but they have a pretty good Quarterback off which to build and that's always a good place to start.
Fell into the one-dimensional trap - Seems like the Upper Management there wanted to surround Luck with as many weapons as they could and didn't really think about armor or distraction. Frank Gore has all the respect I can give him, but he isn't a workhorse any longer. Andre Johnson has something to prove, sure but does he have the tools to prove it? The Offensive Line group is rotating players in and out of there on a frightening basis and it's starting to show up in games. There were a few plays last night that Luck made simply due to his size and how tough he is to bring down.
Injuries - Yes, yes injuries are never an excuse but you can't go into a game facing Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall down four DBs and expect success. They are being hit in a critical area right now and they may need help from outside the Organization.
Lack of creativity - I base this on the team hiring Pep Hamilton as their OC as it seems like they were trying to get the most our of Luck. It's not that I think Hamilton is not qualified to be an NFL OC, but I feel like someone on the staff needs to try and open up new ideas instead of simply what was done in the past. The thing about the NFL is that you had better keep adding on threats and wrinkles to your attack or people are going to figure you out. And it is starting to feel like teams have got Indianapolis figured out.
Poor talent acquisition - I covered this a little in the "one dimensional" statement above, but this is more along the lines of drafting and Free Agency over recent years. Now, I don't follow Indianapolis all that much, but I do know that the past Grigson First Round draft picks have been spent on Bjorn Woerner, Trent Richardson, and Phillip Dorsett. While it's unreasonable to expect Dorsett to produce this early in his career from his position, Richardson isn't in the League any longer and I can't remember when the last time I saw Woerner play.
Here's the thing though, they got Luck. They might have surrounded him with sub-par talent but they have a pretty good Quarterback off which to build and that's always a good place to start.
09-22-2015, 08:59 AM
This goes into the giggling but not gloating category...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-not-luck/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-not-luck/
09-22-2015, 09:00 AM
Quote:This goes into the giggling but not gloating category...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-not-luck/
When there are public displays of conflict between management, that's never a good sign.
09-22-2015, 09:01 AM
Quote:This goes into the giggling but not gloating category...
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/22/pagano-comment-could-easily-be-construed-as-shot-at-g-m-not-luck/'>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/22/pagano-comment-could-easily-be-construed-as-shot-at-g-m-not-luck/</a>
And the implosion begins...
09-22-2015, 09:01 AM
What a mess. Best thing would be to keep Grigson and they fire Pagano.
09-22-2015, 09:03 AM
7-9 can easily win this division.
If the jags can continue to improve, split with the clots and take care of the tinhorns and tacks, we very well can be right there in December.
Stranger things have happened...
If the jags can continue to improve, split with the clots and take care of the tinhorns and tacks, we very well can be right there in December.
Stranger things have happened...
09-22-2015, 09:04 AM
Quote:What I think is wrong with Indianapolis:
Fell into the one-dimensional trap - Frank Gore has all the respect I can give him, but he isn't a workhorse any longer. Andre Johnson has something to prove, sure but does he have the tools to prove it? The Offensive Line group is rotating players in and out of there on a frightening basis and it's starting to show up in games.
Poor talent acquisition - I covered this a little in the "one dimensional" statement above, but this is more along the lines of drafting and Free Agency over recent years. Now, I don't follow Indianapolis all that much, but I do know that the past Grigson First Round draft picks have been spent on Bjorn Werner, Trent Richardson, and Phillip Dorsett. While it's unreasonable to expect Dorsett to produce this early in his career from his position, Richardson isn't in the League any longer and I can't remember when the last time I saw Werner play.
At the time they signed him, I thought Gore was finished, though he had a good game last night absent the fumble. Andre Johnson has had a hall of fame career, but he's done. At this point, I think Indy needs to focus more on developing Moncrief, who I think can be a good WR. I sincerely hope their OL represents a HUGE weakness for this team.
Woerner played last night and didn't have much impact. The announcers even labeled him "a disappointment."
I still think Indy should have drafted Malcom Brown or Eddie Goldman in the first. It wouldn't have fixed the OL, but it would have helped the defense.
Oh well.