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...is running the Broncos in to the ground. That is all.

For real. You take away the offense from Peyton and thus is what happens. Let the man do his thing.

What kind of offense is this? Peyton isn't the type of QB to be under-center anymore either. They're going to get him killed.

Stupid play calling. Short passes, run heavy. That's not Manning

Atleast we aren't the only team dealing with this

How to some of these coaches/OC's get run out of town for doing a horrible job, only to be given the keys to the city somewhere else?

Quote:What kind of offense is this? Peyton isn't the type of QB to be under-center anymore either. They're going to get him killed.

He is the man at shotgun. But everytime he takes a snap from under center and drops back, he looks like Byron Leftwich's slower, less coordinated half cousin

Quote:How to some of these coaches/OC's get run out of town for doing a horrible job, only to be given the keys to the city somewhere else?

Because fans say things like:


"Let's hire a coach with an offensive background like Kubiak, McDaniels, or Todd Haley. They have to be better than the guy they are replacing..."

And it's tied...

How long before Manning calls his fans kindergartners?

Quote:How long before Manning calls his fans kindergartners?

He can't say that. He went to Tennessee which is equivalent to a kindergarten education.

The 2-0 Broncos are being run into the ground.

Quote:The 2-0 Broncos are being run into the ground.

He really ran them into the ground by hiring Wade Phillips

Quote:He really ran them into the ground by hiring Wade Phillips

Yeah that guy is terrible. Seriously though, Broncos have a scary good defense.

Getting ready for next year when Manning retires. Only Manning can run the Manning offense, so when the inevitable happens, or even an injury, the other guy can run the offense.

CJ Anderson looks worse

Quote:Stupid play calling. Short passes, run heavy. That's not Manning

It is now. Manning's arm is shot. It was apparent throughout training camp and the preseason that he couldn't fire them deep the way he used to, but how bad it really is wasn't apparent until the season started.

 

Quote:How to some of these coaches/OC's get run out of town for doing a horrible job, only to be given the keys to the city somewhere else?

Kubiak and Elway go way back. Kubiak was Elway's backup for a long time, then his offensive coordinator. Let's not forget that Kubiak had some success with the Texans, particularly when he had a decent quarterback in Schaub. If anyone's going to know what Kubiak is capable of, it's Elway.

 

Frankly, I don't think Kubiak was hired to coach Peyton Manning. I think he was hired to reshape the offense in preparation for the next guy, whether that's Brock Osweiler or someone to be signed/drafted next year. You've got to admit that even though the new Broncos offense is a poor fit for Manning, it could be very good with a quarterback not named Peyton.

Quote:It is now. Manning's arm is shot. It was apparent throughout training camp and the preseason that he couldn't fire them deep the way he used to, but how bad it really is wasn't apparent until the season started.


Kubiak and Elway go way back. Kubiak was Elway's backup for a long time, then his offensive coordinator. Let's not forget that Kubiak had some success with the Texans, particularly when he had a decent quarterback in Schaub. If anyone's going to know what Kubiak is capable of, it's Elway.


Frankly, I don't think Kubiak was hired to coach Peyton Manning. I think he was hired to reshape the offense in preparation for the next guy, whether that's Brock Osweiler or someone to be signed/drafted next year. You've got to admit that even though the new Broncos offense is a poor fit for Manning, it could be very good with a quarterback not named Peyton.

If that was the case then Elway shouldn't have brought back Manning at all. Move forward with Kubiak's offense and Osweiler as your QB.


Kubiak forcing Manning to play in his offense looks exactly how most thought it would, awkward and not for Manning.


I'm guessing very soon that the Broncos will scrap Kubiak's offense soon hand it back over to Manning.


I would much rather have a diminished Manning in his comfort zone than a diminished Manning doing something new and uncomfortable.

My thing is... How is Kubiak going to tell Peyton anything. Manning is a first ballot Hall of Famer, Kubiak was a back up QB.

My money is on Peyton as far as more football knowledge and play calling.


And don't give me anything about Kubiak being a coach for a long time. That really is irrelevant.

Peyton probably laughs at this guy lol.

Quote:My thing is... How is Kubiak going to tell Peyton anything. Manning is a first ballot Hall of Famer, Kubiak was a back up QB.

My money is on Peyton as far as more football knowledge and play calling.


And don't give me anything about Kubiak being a coach for a long time. That really is irrelevant.

Peyton probably laughs at this guy lol.

 

Whether or not Kubiak knows offenses is not the issue here. The fact that Kubiak had the success he did with Matt Schaub shows his offense can be successful. This problem is trying to force Manning, who has had amazing success running his own offense, into running an offense that is unfamiliar and not suited to Manning at all.

Quote:If that was the case then Elway shouldn't have brought back Manning at all. Move forward with Kubiak's offense and Osweiler as your QB.


Kubiak forcing Manning to play in his offense looks exactly how most thought it would, awkward and not for Manning.


I'm guessing very soon that the Broncos will scrap Kubiak's offense soon hand it back over to Manning.


I would much rather have a diminished Manning in his comfort zone than a diminished Manning doing something new and uncomfortable.

Cutting Manning would have, IIRC, cost an arm and a leg. All the same, there were supposedly discussions about trading him to Houston. I think it comes down to this: even though Osweiler is a better fit for the offense, Manning is the better quarterback, even with a declining arm, and it's not even close.

 

Quote:My thing is... How is Kubiak going to tell Peyton anything. Manning is a first ballot Hall of Famer, Kubiak was a back up QB.

My money is on Peyton as far as more football knowledge and play calling.


And don't give me anything about Kubiak being a coach for a long time. That really is irrelevant.

Peyton probably laughs at this guy lol.

Remember when the Broncos' offense was so successful in 1997 and 1998? When John Elway, a first-ballot Hall of Famer, was in his 15th and 16th seasons? Know who the coordinator was? Gary Kubiak. His former backup QB.

 

Manning may well have greater on-field knowledge based upon the playing careers of the two, but in terms of play-calling and game planning, it's not even close. Kubiak was coordinating Super Bowl offenses when Manning was in college.