Quote:You can't count on an offensive philosophy that either works really, really well or results in lots of three-and-out drives and wrecks your defense.
What good is a 10 minute drive that stalls or ends in a field goal? You just leave yourself less time to work with later, which is a huge problem for a team that trails a lot of the time
Quote:If you have 3 10 minute drives, it's fair to guess that you'll end up with 21 by the end of the game, or somewhere around there. THAT's ASSUMING YOU SCORE ON ALL OF THEM. The problem with huddling all the time and milking clock is that it does you no good if you dont score. You simply leave yourself less time to work with later on (which is problematic considering how often we play from behind)
So....no huddling is going to speed that process up so that you have more opportunities not to score, and your defense ends up being a skidmark on the field in the second half of games?
Ball control and a methodical approach is the effective approach. Slipping in no huddle to change up the tempo and keep the defense on the field and on their heels is a good tactic to use intermittently. It's not a game strategy that wins consistently if that's your go to move. It's something you use sparingly.
I guess my point is, we know what doesnt work for us. This plodding offense hasnt worked in jacksonville for over 8 years. The last time it worked was in 2007, when garrard was having a career year, and we had arguably the best backfield in the league.
16-20 points simply isnt enough people. I would have thought these last 8 years would have demonstrated that. Sure, I thought the playcalling was better than jedd's, but we have to try incorporating some faster paced stuff too.
Quote:So....no huddling is going to speed that process up so that you have more opportunities not to score, and your defense ends up being a skidmark on the field in the second half of games?
Ball control and a methodical approach is the effective approach. Slipping in no huddle to change up the tempo and keep the defense on the field and on their heels is a good tactic to use intermittently. It's not a game strategy that wins consistently if that's your go to move. It's something you use sparingly.
If you have 5 posessions on offense where you go no huddle and score on 2 vs 5 posessions of plodding where you score twice, you're much better off with the former because you have given yourself more time. The reality of the situation is we trail most games. Milking clock isn't always beneficial is my point
Quote:So....no huddling is going to speed that process up so that you have more opportunities not to score, and your defense ends up being a skidmark on the field in the second half of games?
Ball control and a methodical approach is the effective approach. Slipping in no huddle to change up the tempo and keep the defense on the field and on their heels is a good tactic to use intermittently. It's not a game strategy that wins consistently if that's your go to move. It's something you use sparingly.
We are in agreement then. But we arent even using it sparingly right now, only predictably ( under 2 minutes). Im arguing for incorporating it sometimes in the middle of a quarter per se
Quote:What good is a 10 minute drive that stalls or ends in a field goal? You just leave yourself less time to work with later, which is a huge problem for a team that trails a lot of the time
The ball control offense has been working since the beginning of football.
The run-n-shoot was abandoned in the mid-90's.
I'll just leave that here.
If you throw in some no huddle and get out to a bit of a lead, then milk away. That's the thing, these two approaches can totally play off of each other. But you have to be at least a nit unpredictable.
As a side note, going no huddle can also result in the opposition wasting a time out
Quote:The ball control offense has been working since the beginning of football.
The run-n-shoot was abandoned in the mid-90's.
I'll just leave that here.
no, what has been working is ball control mixed with a bit of no huddle.
Quote:The ball control offense has been working since the beginning of football.
The run-n-shoot was abandoned in the mid-90's.
I'll just leave that here.
We have been trying the same thing for 8 years to no avail. The players we have arent the best, but we havent even looked like a pro offense at all in those 8 years. Even ryan fitzpatrick and brian hoyer looked competent at times. You can't blame the last 8 years completely on bad luck and poor drafting. It's definitely a problem, but new players have come and gone, and still, no 1000 yd receiver, and 23 passing td still stands as a record. That is sad, and some of it should be attributed to offensive approach.
MJD was a great player, but we leaned on him waaaaaaay too much over the years.
Quote:The ball control offense has been working since the beginning of football.
The run-n-shoot was abandoned in the mid-90's.
I'll just leave that here.
Maybe we can lure Warren Moon out of retirement to run it?
+ 1 to many of the OP's points.
Not all the time,, but much much more often than we are...
We have to get something to work for crying out loud !! It's BB's strength...nurture it..
We know his weakness... out patterns against a shallow defense.
Run the hurry-up till the opposing team expects it, then switch.. long count to draw them offsides,, etc. ad infinitum
It's football, do the unexpected.. Do we have a double-pass play? What's our goto on 4th and 1, other than "we are going to be doing some unconventional things" (paraphrasing, but you get the point.)
We don't even have a low pass to the slot receiver on 3rd down that works, which is a staple these days..
Quote: + 1 to many of the OP's points.
Not all the time,, but much much more often than we are...
We have to get something to work for crying out loud !! It's BB's strength...nurture it..
We know his weakness... out patterns against a shallow defense.
Run the hurry-up till the opposing team expects it, then switch.. long count to draw them offsides,, etc. ad infinitum
It's football, do the unexpected.. Do we have a double-pass play? What's our goto on 4th and 1, other than "we are going to be doing some unconventional things" (paraphrasing, but you get the point.)
We don't even have a low pass to the slot receiver on 3rd down that works, which is a staple these days..
How about we commit to what we said we were going to do, and that means a balanced attack that focuses on ball control? I know, that's not going to make you and the rest of the armchair offensive coordinators happy, but at the end of the day, that's a plan that this roster was built to execute. Hurry up is fine a few drives in a game, but it's pointless if you want to actually win. Wearing down your defense isn't a strategy that is going to prove a winning formula.
Before we jump into all sorts of trickery, how about trying to get the basics working? I know, novel concept.
Quote:How about we commit to what we said we were going to do, and that means a balanced attack that focuses on ball control? I know, that's not going to make you and the rest of the armchair offensive coordinators happy, but at the end of the day, that's a plan that this roster was built to execute. Hurry up is fine a few drives in a game, but it's pointless if you want to actually win. Wearing down your defense isn't a strategy that is going to prove a winning formula.
Before we jump into all sorts of trickery, how about trying to get the basics working? I know, novel concept.
Yes, occasional hurry up has never helped a team win. Totally pointless.
I dont think you and I are in disagreement here, and I think we agree more than we think in most cases
I know it might not be the same now, but i remember when Manning was in Indy they used to have the plays in and were out of the huddle with 20-24 seconds left on the play clock. I know a lot of that extra time was for Manning to play audible roulette and for line adjusts etc., but you always felt they were playing up tempo, even when not in the hurry up. I like the urgency argument. I would be happy if they did it once every quarter. You have your 2 2 minute drills and then pick a couple other drives. I think you have to play to your players strengths and its clear its one of Bortles, it 'should' be a no brainer.
Quote:I know it might not be the same now, but i remember when Manning was in Indy they used to have the plays in and were out of the huddle with 20-24 seconds left on the play clock. I know a lot of that extra time was for Manning to play audible roulette and for line adjusts etc., but you always felt they were playing up tempo, even when not in the hurry up. I like the urgency argument. I would be happy if they did it once every quarter. You have your 2 2 minute drills and then pick a couple other drives. I think you have to play to your players strengths and its clear its one of Bortles, it 'should' be a no brainer.
Again your example was Peyton Manning, arguably to best and most cerebral quarterback to ever play. To do what he does takes the ability to be extremely precise on anticipation throws, have a full mastery of the offense you are running, be able to change protections on the fly and can diagnose a defense with little effort.
Blake is in his second year, first in a new offense and is not even sound in his mechanics. I'm not quite sure if Blake called a play everyone is on the same page. All hell might break out if he tried to audible and change a few routes and slide the protection lol.
Let's get the basics down before we try the advanced stuff.
Quote:Again your example was Peyton Manning, arguably to best and most cerebral quarterback to ever play. To do what he does takes the ability to be extremely precise on anticipation throws, have a full mastery of the offense you are running, be able to change protections on the fly and can diagnose a defense with little effort.
Blake is in his second year, first in a new offense and is not even sound in his mechanics. I'm not quite sure if Blake called a play everyone is on the same page. All hell might break out if he tried to audible and change a few routes and slide the protection lol.
Let's get the basics down before we try the advanced stuff.
Bingo.
Trying to get cute with the play calling doesn't work if you can't execute the basics without a struggle.
Quote:Bingo.
Trying to get cute with the play calling doesn't work if you can't execute the basics without a struggle.
Peyton's not the only one utilizing it though guys, c'mon, you know better. Again, if Bortles struggled with it it would be one thing, but he clearly thrives at it, and as he said, they practice it a lot in practice. If they practice it that much , might as well use it
Quote:Peyton's not the only one utilizing it though guys, c'mon, you know better. Again, if Bortles struggled with it it would be one thing, but he clearly thrives at it, and as he said, they practice it a lot in practice. If they practice it that much , might as well use it
Elite QBs utilize it. Even Gabbert looked like he was good in a hurry up offense against a prevent defense. In case you didn't realize, prevent is mean to give everything under in order to prevent big plays and chew up time. Just because he completed a few passes to RBs and Greene with the DBs 10 yards away doesn't mean he thrives at it.
Quote:Elite QBs utilize it. Even Gabbert looked like he was good in a hurry up offense against a prevent defense. In case you didn't realize, prevent is mean to give everything under in order to prevent big plays and chew up time. Just because he completed a few passes to RBs and Greene with the DBs 10 yards away doesn't mean he thrives at it.
So blake's a liar then when he says he's good at running no huddle?