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Why do we take it as gospel that Dave Caldwell is doing a good job?  Do you honestly see the talent of our team as better than the talent of any other team in the league (minus maybe the Browns)? We look as bad as we did 3 years ago when we went 2-14.  I just don't get why all the love for Caldwell.

 

Jags fans be like, "hey, our roster sucks!!!! Caldwell is doing awesome!"

 

I agree, caldwell is at fault for a lot of it, particularly the lack of reliability at WR.

Ernest Wilford had more reliable hands than these guys.

Quote:Why do we take it as gospel that Dave Caldwell is doing a good job?  Do you honestly see the talent of our team as better than the talent of any other team in the league (minus maybe the Browns)? We look as bad as we did 3 years ago when we went 2-14.  I just don't get why all the love for Caldwell.

 

Jags fans be like, "hey, our roster sucks!!!! Caldwell is doing awesome!"

 

 

 

Gospel? No. So far the evidence points that way IMO. I've disagreed with some of his actions. I thought he should have traded down (or at least attempted to) in the 2013 and 2015 drafts. I didn't like the Monroe trade. I thought the Jags should have kept Knighton instead of signing Miller.


 

OTOH, the players he drafted have looked good as rookies. Joeckel and Fowler didn't get much chance as rookies due to injuries, but Bortles was amazing in preseason 2014; there were a lot of highlight plays to build on. The whole 2013 class looked promising in 2013. Since then Sanders melted down, Cyprien never developed, Gratz regressed. Besides Bortles, last year gave us two starting WRs, a top RG, a top LB, and a starting CB. Is it Caldwell's fault that the WRs are not as good this year as they were last year? Players should get better, not worse.


 

Young players have to be developed and that's where I see the failure. When draft picks are not playing as well in their second season as they did as rookies it's not the fault of the GM, it's the coaching staff.


 

As far as free agency: he has a few mistakes along with some big hits in Marks and Parnell. That's fairly good compared to the league average.

People have to get this "bortles was great in the preseason" stuff out of their head. Teams weren't blitzing in the preseason. When carolina blitzed this week, he didnt stay patient and read coverage to find the wide open guy. Instead he took off running right away. Bortles has good pocket presence against a 4 man rush, but that all seems to go away when a 5th or 6th defender come at him

I approve of what Caldwell is doing and the talent he brings in. I sort of question some of the players from the prior regime he could have kept, but I do think he's brought in and drafted several key players. Keep in mind it's tough to get free agents to want to come to Jacksonville, and we've learned from Michael H. that we can't just way overpay everyone to get them to sign.


 

As for Bradley, I'm still in his corner but I need to see some results. Should he fail to ink six or more wins, I'm ready to move on plain and simple.

Quote:I'm surprised that so many don't disapprove of Caldwell.  If you lose a close game, then yes, it may be the coach's fault.  When your team doesn't look like it belongs on the field, that to me, is a clear sign of a lack of talent.  That falls to Caldwell.  I think general manager and head coaches should be package deals.  If this team doesn't significantly improve before the end of the season, both need to be gone.  After three years of rebuilding, the team has to be better than this.  Keep in mind that if nothing else, Caldwell was the one who selected Gus.  Do you really want him selecting the next head coach?  

 

We are either winning or within 7 points of almost every game we played in 2014 and even last week.  That to me tells me we have talent.  We lack coaching... 

Name 1 coach to make a respectable career after a 7-26 start. Don't worry, I'll wait.


In fact, Dave Shula was the fastest coach to ever lose 50 games; he did it in 4 and a half seasons. Gus Bradley is on track to break that record; 2 more years of 4-12, which would be an improvement from his second season mind you, and he would lose 50 games in just 4 seasons. Now, I don't think that will happen, but it's pretty crappy that the potential is there, regardless.

Quote:I approve of what Caldwell is doing and the talent he brings in. I sort of question some of the players from the prior regime he could have kept, but I do think he's brought in and drafted several key players. Keep in mind it's tough to get free agents to want to come to Jacksonville, and we've learned from Michael H. that we can't just way overpay everyone to get them to sign.


 
As for Bradley, I'm still in his corner but I need to see some results. Should he fail to ink six or more wins, I'm ready to move on plain and simple.

Here's an old article to a story on Deadspin ranking the worst 16 coaches of all time. The article will not make you appreciate Gus Bradley's record so far, and makes me agree with your take that he needs to go if they don't get 6 wins this year. I know the roster struggles and Gene Smith and yada yada, but there's a limit to how bad it can get before you get canned in the NFL.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://deadspin.com/the-16-worst-coaches-in-modern-nfl-history-512701096'>http://deadspin.com/the-16-worst-coaches-in-modern-nfl-history-512701096</a>

Quote:I said in the off season they needed to sign Tebow.  Bortles sucks.  Strange how one QB wins games and everyones like he can't throw and another QB can't win and their liike he needs time to develope.  Into what a QB that doesn't suck as hard?  I think maybe Huston could use him.

People with opinions like yours should be put through an application process before being permitted to contribute to the gene pool.

Quote:Here's an old article to a story on Deadspin ranking the worst 16 coaches of all time. The article will not make you appreciate Gus Bradley's record so far, and makes me agree with your take that he needs to go if they don't get 6 wins this year. I know the roster struggles and Gene Smith and yada yada, but there's a limit to how bad it can get before you get canned in the NFL.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://deadspin.com/the-16-worst-coaches-in-modern-nfl-history-512701096'>http://deadspin.com/the-16-worst-coaches-in-modern-nfl-history-512701096</a>

 

Thanks for the link. The author seems to have a Jets viewpoint, and some on the "others" list at the bottom may have deserved mention instead of ones in his bottom 20. But it's a good read.


You're right. Bradley doesn't compare well even in that crowd.

Quote:I think that a total rebuild takes 3-4 years - I also think that Bradley is the perfect rebuild coach - However, I've always felt that Bradley is more of a coordinator, than he is a head coach. I think as a head coach he's more suited for the college level, with all his rah-rah talk, his "spirit", "challenge our guys", "competition", & "conviction" garbage; those words are a better fit for amateurs, not professionals. Gus would have made a great male cheerleader at the college level.

I think I agree that Gus seems better suited for the college head coach role than the nfl. He was a decent coordinator but I think he just wasn't ready for the head coach position.

Quote:Yeah.. because the whole fan base didn't know we were 7-25 last week and Gus stared down Yeldon on the pick six. Gus also should have protected the ball better so he didn't fumble it. Not to mention Gus kicks for [BAD WORD REMOVED].


Delusional would be saying we are still winning the Super Bowl. Knee jerk is wanting to blow everything up after the first game because you are psychologically butt hurt and can't deal with a week one loss. Let the guy go 0-4 at least before you start calling for his head. Give this team a chance to respond to the adversity of an opening loss.

I see... well, only a chump supports a bad team.

Quote:Can we have the mental fortitude to see how the team reacts next week before we curl up into a ball and suck our thumbs? It's the first week of the season for crying out loud.

Go live in the land of unicorns and gingerbread houses if you want, but for those of us who've actually been paying attention to the Jags this is how our teams have looked for y e a r s now and we have been shown nothing to make us think anything is different now; but you go ahead and enjoy living in denial if you want to... and I'm not talking about that river in Africa.

 

IF... we can see a game where the performance and outcome give us reason to become optimistic then I'll jump on that bandwagon in a second; but for now, I see no reason for optimism.

Quote:Colts just got abused. They are beatable.

they are beatable... just not by us at this time.

Quote:I wonder if this is why Maroon is "assistant head coach"  I hope they can gus

I don't think that Maroone's hiring as assistant head coach was coincidental. The hand writing is on the wall...

I will officially go on record here:

I'm not happy or satisfied with Gus Bradley as a head coach. His 'ra-ra-sis-boom-ba' mannerisms and game time amateurism isn't working here. Nevertheless, I am not ready for the man to be sacked after only one game this season. I think he should have the season... the whole season... and then make the call. I'm not convinced that Maroone is the answer either. I just see him as a guy who could temporarily take the helm if, in a worse case scenario, Gus got fired prior to the end of the season. I also am losing the good feeling I initially had for Dave Caldwell here too. We need play makers. Dave knows this. Where are they? We've seen nobody on this rooster who sparks enthusiasm yet. As soon as we get someone who might do so, they immediately get hurt or become prey to evil additions.

 

What this team desperately needs... what this fan base needs... is a gigantic dose of pure, sheer, good ol' fashioned luck to come our way. It's been a long time since lady luck has sat in this teams lap. We're only too familiar with lady lucks ugly sister.

Quote:I can assure you, this team WILL start 0-4

I'm not a betting man... but if I were I'd put the house, and every penny I have on this team going 0-4 at this point. We lost to the panthers and they're not as good a team as the fins are; plus, as questionable as our o-line already was, it's worse now with the presence of sam young. And the pats and dolts are both head and shoulders better than this team. Only a teal kool-aid drinking, Gus worshiping, teal colored sun glass wearing neophyte would see the Jags as anything other than 0-4 to start this season given we've already blown our best chance at a win in our first game. 

Yeah, the dolts lost their first game too. They are beatable... just not by us at this time. The dolts and tacks have won the lottery with their rookie quarterbacks while our 'franchise quarterback' struggles with the basics. The panthers, our franchise brothers, have already been to the super bowl. When can we start to expect more than the same ol' hype and garbage we've been enduring for years? I won't sit through another rebuild...

How can people disapprove of Bradley but approve of Caldwell?

 

Caldwell hired Bradley and if our coach is sucking eggs then Caldwell should be just as responsible.

 

There is a disconnect in logic and it is on display on these message boards.

Quote:Agreed.  Here's the questions I want asked in the new thread with a new poll:

 

1...Is it agreed that Bradley sucks?  

 

2...Or is there some room for discussion?  

 

3...Or are we waiting till week 8?

Does Bradley suck? Well, his record here would seem to indicate that is the case, however, there is more at play here that has led to the demise of this team than Gus Bradley. If were looking for a 'whipping boy' to blame then Gus can be targeted as he is the easiest one to jump on; but remember, he was hired by Dave Caldwell, who was hired by Shad Khan. We may be the fans, but the team belongs to Khan and he gets to do with it what he wants, good or bad. 

 

I am a advocate of giving Gus the whole season. If it proves that he is a lost cause by week 8 what's the point in sacking him then; the season is lost. If we keep him and have another bad season like last year at least we know we'll be selecting in the top five of the draft. There is the possibility, remote as it may seem at this point, that the team could turn around and show real heart and pull out at least a 6-10 season. I would not be in favor of firing Gus if we could pull a 6-10 season out of the hat. And allow me to cut off the '6-10?... that's awful!' crowd; I didn't say I would be happy with 6-10, I'm just saying that if we could pull out... at least... a 6-10 record it may be grounds to have faith in Gus for one more season.