Quote:Funchess can't beat out the likes of Philly Brown and Ted Ginn. I'm sure if it weren't for draft position, he would have been cut in favor of the much more talented Brenton Bersin.
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You do not see what the Panthers are doing?
Ginn and Brown as the X and Y. Then you have Olsen, Funchess, Cotchery and Norwood in the slots and working the seams and outs.
They are going to stretch the secondary deep. Very deep with a ton of speed. You have to respect that or Cam launches it over the head of the secondary to the end zone. Will the ball be caught? Maybe not, but are you willing to let these 2 receivers get behind your safeties?
They are going to make you commit a CB and a safety to both Ginn and Brown for bracket coverage. If you put 8 in the box, they now go deep to the side of the field your safety is not favoring. Ginn and Brown will smoke just about any CB deep (mind you I am not saying they can catch the ball).
Here is the end game. They open up the running game. They open up Cam Newton to scramble to the sideline if the DL is undisciplined. They will use the read option to catch the safeties cheating and then drop back to pass while showing the read option - letting it fly deep to Ginn or Brown. They now have Funchess and Olsen teamed up against smaller DBs and LBs for outs to the sideline or crossing over the middle. This is what they want as a second and third read. They can insert Cotchery or Norwood to find holes in zone from a 4 WR set - especially if you spy Cam.
Olsen and Funchess underneath with Brown and Ginn blowing off the top of the defense is their goal when they go to the passing game. They want you to man cover these 2 underneath with a LB or smaller DB. These WRs may not be dangerous as individuals, but when you look at how you can use a combination of 3 or 4 of them with their strengths to work a defense, then it becomes a concern.
Quote:You do not see what the Panthers are doing?
Ginn and Brown as the X and Y. Then you have Olsen, Funchess, Cotchery and Norwood in the slots and working the seams and outs.
They are going to stretch the secondary deep. Very deep with a ton of speed. You have to respect that or Cam launches it over the head of the secondary to the end zone. Will the ball be caught? Maybe not, but are you willing to let these 2 receivers get behind your safeties?
They are going to make you commit a CB and a safety to both Ginn and Brown for bracket coverage. If you put 8 in the box, they now go deep to the side of the field your safety is not favoring. Ginn and Brown will smoke just about any CB deep (mind you I am not saying they can catch the ball).
Here is the end game. They open up the running game. They open up Cam Newton to scramble to the sideline if the DL is undisciplined. They will use the read option to catch the safeties cheating and then drop back to pass while showing the read option - letting it fly deep to Ginn or Brown. They now have Funchess and Olsen teamed up against smaller DBs and LBs for outs to the sideline or crossing over the middle. This is what they want as a second and third read. They can insert Cotchery or Norwood to find holes in zone from a 4 WR set - especially if you spy Cam.
Olsen and Funchess underneath with Brown and Ginn blowing off the top of the defense is their goal when they go to the passing game. They want you to man cover these 2 underneath with a LB or smaller DB. These WRs may not be dangerous as individuals, but when you look at how you can use a combination of 3 or 4 of them with their strengths to work a defense, then it becomes a concern.
If Gus spends Sunday double teaming both Ginn and Philly Brown while leaving a single linebacker on Olsen, he should be fired on Monday.
Quote:You do not see what the Panthers are doing?
Ginn and Brown as the X and Y. Then you have Olsen, Funchess, Cotchery and Norwood in the slots and working the seams and outs.
They are going to stretch the secondary deep. Very deep with a ton of speed. You have to respect that or Cam launches it over the head of the secondary to the end zone. Will the ball be caught? Maybe not, but are you willing to let these 2 receivers get behind your safeties?
They are going to make you commit a CB and a safety to both Ginn and Brown for bracket coverage. If you put 8 in the box, they now go deep to the side of the field your safety is not favoring. Ginn and Brown will smoke just about any CB deep (mind you I am not saying they can catch the ball).
Here is the end game. They open up the running game. They open up Cam Newton to scramble to the sideline if the DL is undisciplined. They will use the read option to catch the safeties cheating and then drop back to pass while showing the read option - letting it fly deep to Ginn or Brown. They now have Funchess and Olsen teamed up against smaller DBs and LBs for outs to the sideline or crossing over the middle. This is what they want as a second and third read. They can insert Cotchery or Norwood to find holes in zone from a 4 WR set - especially if you spy Cam.
Olsen and Funchess underneath with Brown and Ginn blowing off the top of the defense is their goal when they go to the passing game. They want you to man cover these 2 underneath with a LB or smaller DB. These WRs may not be dangerous as individuals, but when you look at how you can use a combination of 3 or 4 of them with their strengths to work a defense, then it becomes a concern.
And thats how Ginn is gonna set the league on fire. This is genius, i wonder why none of his other teams thought of this!
Quote:And thats how Ginn is gonna set the league on fire. This is genius, i wonder why none of his other teams thought of this!
Obviously they weren't the gifted strategists that Mr. LOL is...
Quote:And thats how Ginn is gonna set the league on fire. This is genius, i wonder why none of his other teams thought of this!
Cam Newton and Ginn work well together. Why Ginn has struggled elsewhere I do not know, but with Cam as his QB he just clicks. Connect long and on comeback routes very well.
Cam will launch the ball deep if you single Ginn or Brown. They have been running those two on deep skinny posts a lot.
Quote:Cam Newton and Ginn work well together. Why Ginn has struggled elsewhere I do not know, but with Cam as his QB he just clicks. Connect long and on comeback routes very well.
Cam will launch the ball deep if you single Ginn or Brown. They have been running those two on deep skinny posts a lot.
Yes, they're so unstoppable he got an amazing 36 receptions and was cut by the Panthers in 13'.
Quote:You do not see what the Panthers are doing?
Ginn and Brown as the X and Y. Then you have Olsen, Funchess, Cotchery and Norwood in the slots and working the seams and outs.
They are going to stretch the secondary deep. Very deep with a ton of speed. You have to respect that or Cam launches it over the head of the secondary to the end zone. Will the ball be caught? Maybe not, but are you willing to let these 2 receivers get behind your safeties?
They are going to make you commit a CB and a safety to both Ginn and Brown for bracket coverage. If you put 8 in the box, they now go deep to the side of the field your safety is not favoring. Ginn and Brown will smoke just about any CB deep (mind you I am not saying they can catch the ball).
Here is the end game. They open up the running game. They open up Cam Newton to scramble to the sideline if the DL is undisciplined. They will use the read option to catch the safeties cheating and then drop back to pass while showing the read option - letting it fly deep to Ginn or Brown. They now have Funchess and Olsen teamed up against smaller DBs and LBs for outs to the sideline or crossing over the middle. This is what they want as a second and third read. They can insert Cotchery or Norwood to find holes in zone from a 4 WR set - especially if you spy Cam.
Olsen and Funchess underneath with Brown and Ginn blowing off the top of the defense is their goal when they go to the passing game. They want you to man cover these 2 underneath with a LB or smaller DB. These WRs may not be dangerous as individuals, but when you look at how you can use a combination of 3 or 4 of them with their strengths to work a defense, then it becomes a concern.
Oh yeah? Well here's my Madden scheme.
Ginn and Philly Brown are trash, so i'll just let Aaron Colvin, McCray and Sergio deal with those trash cans. There's no need to panic for these washed up, mediocre receivers.
I'll load the box up and let Poz do his magic shutting down your scary (loljk) running back! Boom, your running game is shut down. There's no way play-action works now and there's definitely ZERO chance those two scrubs burn our secondary without it.
Here is the end game. Cam gets desperate and tries to target Olsen numerous times, but no one knew 6'3 Telvin Smith can run faster than him and this is a cakewalk for him. Not to mention he is being double teamed the entire time.
Cam now realizes he has to work his read option magic, but no one really cares about Stewart running the ball anymore, so they all target Cam no matter what. Odrick and Ryan Davis sit on his face and Cam starts throwing hissy fits.
It's 3rd and long, so Cam tries to throw it up to Philly Cheese Streak, but he can't come down with it cause he SUCKS. HA! :woot:
4th and long and Cam just runs cause he knows his receivers are useless, but BAM, out of nowhere Chris Clemons grabs the yogurt boy and slams him to the turf. Cam is embarrassed as a player, but more importantly the Panthers can't believe they just lost to the Jags. He goes to the sidelines, pops a piece of gum in his mouth and wraps his gatorade towel around his head. Reality sets in and they realize there's no way they get to 11-5 as predicted, especially with Philly Ginn Jr.
Quote:Yes, they're so unstoppable he got an amazing 36 receptions and was cut by the Panthers in 13'.
I'm sure he would have more receptions if he wasn't doubled on every play!
Quote:I'm sure he would have more receptions if he wasn't doubled on every play!
I heard Revis needed safety help every play against him
Quote:Yup, it was the previous year when Russell Allen was out there covering TEs.
Didn't need Gates, 2 WR's combined for 240 yards.
Quote:Yes, they're so unstoppable he got an amazing 36 receptions and was cut by the Panthers in 13'.
He wasn't cut by the Panthers, he left after a one year deal for more money. We couldn't afford to keep him or anyone else. Just for the sake of accuracy.
Quote:Cam Newton and Ginn work well together. Why Ginn has struggled elsewhere I do not know, but with Cam as his QB he just clicks. Connect long and on comeback routes very well.
Cam will launch the ball deep if you single Ginn or Brown. They have been running those two on deep skinny posts a lot.
Fellow Panther fan here. I think Cam is far better than most folks outside of Carolina give him credit for but I don't know if the Cam/Ginn magic from 2013 will return. Ginn was very productive in '13 but he was Cams #4 target behind Lafell, Olsen and Mr. Smith.
I know Cam can deliver the ball and believe Ginn can step up but the HOF is no longer present on the other sideline.
The Carolina game is obviously a trap game for the Jags. I'm certain some of the coaches and players are looking ahead to the Dolphins in week 2. I imagine we'll play down to our level of competition and win a 3 point game.
Quote:Even if Devin Funchess plays or not, he isn't a real WR. He played TE and a little WR in college. Im sure his 40 speed doesn't match a WR 40 speed. It won't be hard to stop the offense.
Also, don't forget that Funchess is used to catching those tight spirals thrown by Devin Gardner. He'll need to adjust to the wobbly ducks thrown by Cam
Quote:Didn't need Gates, 2 WR's combined for 240 yards.
Didn't have House or Colvin that game.
Quote:He wasn't cut by the Panthers, he left after a one year deal for more money. We couldn't afford to keep him or anyone else. Just for the sake of accuracy.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Quote:Cam Newton and Ginn work well together. Why Ginn has struggled elsewhere I do not know, but with Cam as his QB he just clicks. Connect long and on comeback routes very well.
Cam will launch the ball deep if you single Ginn or Brown. They have been running those two on deep skinny posts a lot.
uh.... no..
Ginn has flashed everywhere he has been.
That kind of speed will have teams taking a flier on you all the time...
But the fact that he has bounced from team to team
and even was released from a team with a very similar QB to Cam in Kap...
Ginn is what he is. A terrible route runner with top line speed. Guess they can give him the go route every time.
Philly Brown, Jericho cotchery.... a rookie with a preseason injury...
The "weapons" in Carolina are few and far between.
Double the TE. load the box.
Don't bite on the option.
Panthers will be kicking field goals instead of TDs.
Meanwhile, our offense has multiple pass catching RBs, and Grant's speed is very comparable to Ginn.
maybe faster...
Arob and Hurns > Philly and Ginn
I really think this game boils down to our offense VS their D.
Not so much the other way around... our D isn't going to be very good this year, at least starting out (lack of pressure being the main issue) but I really think Carolina's lackluster offense from last year is actually going to be worse this year.
Quote:uh.... no..
Ginn has flashed everywhere he has been.
That kind of speed will have teams taking a flier on you all the time...
But the fact that he has bounced from team to team
and even was released from a team with a very similar QB to Cam in Kap...
Kaep and Cam are similar? Other than mobility they're not very similar at all. Kaep came into a one read, west coast style offense where he got rid of the ball quickly on timing routes. Cam has run a Coryell offense which is quite a bit different. Kap went to a team with a QB guru for a coach, Cam went to a team that had a defensive minded coach. Not how you can draw many parallels between then.
Ginn is what he is. A terrible route runner with top line speed. Guess they can give him the go route every time.
Philly Brown, Jericho cotchery.... a rookie with a preseason injury...
The "weapons" in Carolina are few and far between.
Double the TE. load the box.
Don't bite on the option.
Ginn isn't as bad at running routes as you want to make it seem. It's not his strength, but he didn't have much trouble getting separation in his last stint with us and looked good in the preseason.
Panthers will be kicking field goals instead of TDs.
Not really, doubt running the ball will be much of a chore.
Meanwhile, our offense has multiple pass catching RBs, and Grant's speed is very comparable to Ginn.
maybe faster...
Arob and Hurns > Philly and Ginn
I really think this game boils down to our offense VS their D.
Not so much the other way around... our D isn't going to be very good this year, at least starting out (lack of pressure being the main issue) but I really think Carolina's lackluster offense from last year is actually going to be worse this year.
You're as confident as you are misinformed.
Quote:You do not see what the Panthers are doing?
Ginn and Brown as the X and Y. Then you have Olsen, Funchess, Cotchery and Norwood in the slots and working the seams and outs.
They are going to stretch the secondary deep. Very deep with a ton of speed. You have to respect that or Cam launches it over the head of the secondary to the end zone. Will the ball be caught? Maybe not, but are you willing to let these 2 receivers get behind your safeties?
They are going to make you commit a CB and a safety to both Ginn and Brown for bracket coverage. If you put 8 in the box, they now go deep to the side of the field your safety is not favoring. Ginn and Brown will smoke just about any CB deep (mind you I am not saying they can catch the ball).
Here is the end game. They open up the running game. They open up Cam Newton to scramble to the sideline if the DL is undisciplined. They will use the read option to catch the safeties cheating and then drop back to pass while showing the read option - letting it fly deep to Ginn or Brown. They now have Funchess and Olsen teamed up against smaller DBs and LBs for outs to the sideline or crossing over the middle. This is what they want as a second and third read. They can insert Cotchery or Norwood to find holes in zone from a 4 WR set - especially if you spy Cam.
Olsen and Funchess underneath with Brown and Ginn blowing off the top of the defense is their goal when they go to the passing game. They want you to man cover these 2 underneath with a LB or smaller DB. These WRs may not be dangerous as individuals, but when you look at how you can use a combination of 3 or 4 of them with their strengths to work a defense, then it becomes a concern.
Nice take. Good insight to a possible game plan. We'll be ready for all that, no doubt