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Quote:There was a slight overthrow on a sideline throw to AR15 but that's about it. But yeah, he struggled and looked panicked lol

 

 

 

I guess they're saying that he struggled with the deep pass for three reasons...


 

1. The ball that hit Hurns in the chest really should have gone to Harbor as the TE probably takes it in for a score.


 

2. The deep overthrow to ARob in the end zone was uncatchable unless ARob would have leaped for it. I'm not sure if this is the pass you're referring to as it wasn't near the sideline. I do recall a sideline pass that ARob dropped.


 

3. The lack of additional deep passes maybe suggests he's holding back???


 

Still it seems a stretch to use the word "struggling." The only other errant throws were the short pass to Hurns that hit the ground after he was flushed out of the pocket to the right and threw on the run, and the quick short pass to the left that landed with nobody in sight suggesting a WR misunderstood his assignment. The only other incompletions were obvious drops.

Quote:I guess they're saying that he struggled with the deep pass for three reasons...


 

1. The ball that hit Hurns in the chest really should have gone to Harbor as the TE probably takes it in for a score.


 

2. The deep overthrow to ARob in the end zone was uncatchable unless ARob would have leaped for it. I'm not sure if this is the pass you're referring to as it wasn't near the sideline. I do recall a sideline pass that ARob dropped.


 

3. The lack of additional deep passes maybe suggests he's holding back???


 

Still it seems a stretch to use the word "struggling." The only other errant throws were the short pass to Hurns that hit the ground after he was flushed out of the pocket to the right and threw on the run, and the quick short pass to the left that landed with nobody in sight suggesting a WR misunderstood his assignment. The only other incompletions were obvious drops.


 

Not sure but here is additional PFF FAQ regarding details of analysis. Again PFF is not perfect but they are unbiased and evaluate the Jags just like they do the other NFL teams


https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/faq/

 

FYI I started using PFF when my eyes did not seem to see the same things the local talking heads saw and spoke about. My eyes appeared to see why we won or lost.

PS I also think Gus and Dave on on the right track.

Quote:I guess they're saying that he struggled with the deep pass for three reasons...


 

1. The ball that hit Hurns in the chest really should have gone to Harbor as the TE probably takes it in for a score.


 

2. The deep overthrow to ARob in the end zone was uncatchable unless ARob would have leaped for it. I'm not sure if this is the pass you're referring to as it wasn't near the sideline. I do recall a sideline pass that ARob dropped.


 

3. The lack of additional deep passes maybe suggests he's holding back???


 

Still it seems a stretch to use the word "struggling." The only other errant throws were the short pass to Hurns that hit the ground after he was flushed out of the pocket to the right and threw on the run, and the quick short pass to the left that landed with nobody in sight suggesting a WR misunderstood his assignment. The only other incompletions were obvious drops.

 

 

Watching the game now for the third time, I need to make a correction. The deep sideline pass to ARob was indeed a slight overthrow and not a drop.

I would like to see grades for the secondary.

Quote:You had a guy who had defenders on him for a 40 yarder and who would have needed to make a great play and a guy who was wide open for 20 yards (plus whatever YAC he can pick up, possibly another 10-15 yards minimum).


I don't care how "elite" your arm is. The correct play in that instance is to Harbor.


That's like Kobe taking a contested 3-point shot fading away. Sure, he can make it because he's Kobe. But a better shot would have been a wide open Steve Kerr.

I don't know about you, but I will never complain about a QB taking a chance deep down field. Especially when the pass was perfect and on target.

Quote:I don't think great QBs always go for the easy play.  He put the ball right where it needed to be.  A good WR would have caught that ball.

 

No they don't always. I said as much with the comparison of Kobe Bryant. Yes, the great QBs CAN make that play once in awhile (more often than not, if they are really great). It doesn't take away that he had a WIDE OPEN receiver that he missed.

 

it's one of those "OH NO OH NO OH YES!" plays. It's no different than the criticism that Vick (and even Tebow to an extent) when they break the pocket and run because they can. You hold your breath because they can scramble, but if you review the tape and you see a guy wide open, you still tell them "Hey great play, but you missed this guy wide open here".

 

And as you said "a good WR would have caught the ball"

 

Therein lies the problem. To make that play happen, you need a great QB to make a great throw. You need the defense to not make a great play on it. You need the receiver to make a great play on it.

 

Or you know, you can just dump it off to that wide open guy and get the same type of yardage if not more....

 

Much higher percentage of success, so why force the difficult but spectacular throw?

Quote:I don't know about you, but I will never complain about a QB taking a chance deep down field. Especially when the pass was perfect and on target.

 

So 4th and 10, game on the line and he forces the throw rather than taking the safe throw that would have gotten us a first down?

 

There's a fine line between being a gun slinger and making the right play. As great a QB Favre was (and he was fuuuun to watch no doubt), and as many plays he made that had your jaw dropped, he probably had as many that had you pulling your hair out in that "what was he thinking?" kind of way

Quote:So 4th and 10, game on the line and he forces the throw rather than taking the safe throw that would have gotten us a first down?


There's a fine line between being a gun slinger and making the right play. As great a QB Favre was (and he was fuuuun to watch no doubt), and as many plays he made that had your jaw dropped, he probably had as many that had you pulling your hair out in that "what was he thinking?" kind of way

And was it 4th and 10?

Quote:So 4th and 10, game on the line and he forces the throw rather than taking the safe throw that would have gotten us a first down?


There's a fine line between being a gun slinger and making the right play. As great a QB Favre was (and he was fuuuun to watch no doubt), and as many plays he made that had your jaw dropped, he probably had as many that had you pulling your hair out in that "what was he thinking?" kind of way

Was it 4th and 10? Obviously the situation dictates the strategy. In that particular scenario Blake made the right decision.

Quote:You had a guy who had defenders on him for a 40 yarder and who would have needed to make a great play and a guy who was wide open for 20 yards (plus whatever YAC he can pick up, possibly another 10-15 yards minimum).

 

I don't care how "elite" your arm is. The correct play in that instance is to Harbor.

 

That's like Kobe taking a contested 3-point shot fading away. Sure, he can make it because he's Kobe. But a better shot would have been a wide open Steve Kerr.

 

Throwing a perfect pass and hitting an NFL WIDE RECEIVER in the hands 40 yards down the field is always the right play.

 

This is the NFL dude so put down your POP Warner playbook and realize that WRs like Hurns are making $500k per year MINIMUM !!!

Quote:No they don't always. I said as much with the comparison of Kobe Bryant. Yes, the great QBs CAN make that play once in awhile (more often than not, if they are really great). It doesn't take away that he had a WIDE OPEN receiver that he missed.

 

it's one of those "OH NO OH NO OH YES!" plays. It's no different than the criticism that Vick (and even Tebow to an extent) when they break the pocket and run because they can. You hold your breath because they can scramble, but if you review the tape and you see a guy wide open, you still tell them "Hey great play, but you missed this guy wide open here".

 

And as you said "a good WR would have caught the ball"

 

Therein lies the problem. To make that play happen, you need a great QB to make a great throw. You need the defense to not make a great play on it. You need the receiver to make a great play on it.

 

Or you know, you can just dump it off to that wide open guy and get the same type of yardage if not more....

 

Much higher percentage of success, so why force the difficult but spectacular throw?

Is it possible that he saw the open receiver and decided to to throw deep because he wanted to develop some kind of chemistry and confidence with Hurns? I think PFF is a solid tool but the issue I have is that they use what they think should have happened. There is no indicator that he did not see the guy and decided to make  a different throw. He may have said "Hey it is preseason, let me get some deep throw reps in with Hurnsy." Manning sure didn't have a problem slinging the ball all over the place to ODB (lol). 

 

I think this has to do with the idea that Bortles is a guy who "play like Favre." Gonna make good throws and then make bonehead plays. The thing is though I haven't seen that from him so far. I have seen a guy who is confident in what he is seeing, knows what he is seeing and taking calculated risks. Why not take that shot? All three defenders were behind Hurns.

Quote:So 4th and 10, game on the line and he forces the throw rather than taking the safe throw that would have gotten us a first down?

 

There's a fine line between being a gun slinger and making the right play. As great a QB Favre was (and he was fuuuun to watch no doubt), and as many plays he made that had your jaw dropped, he probably had as many that had you pulling your hair out in that "what was he thinking?" kind of way

 

It's Favre that I see more and more when I watch Bortles play. I think Bortles is more athletic than Favre was, but Favre was a more natural Quarterback when he first hit the League. They both pull out those "NO! OH NO! OH NO! NO NO NO!!! NOOOOO! ... YESSSSSS!!!" plays.

Quote:Throwing a perfect pass and hitting an NFL WIDE RECEIVER in the hands 40 yards down the field is always the right play.

 

This is the NFL dude so put down your POP Warner playbook and realize that WRs like Hurns are making $500k per year MINIMUM !!!

 

Yep

Quote:Throwing a perfect pass and hitting an NFL WIDE RECEIVER in the hands 40 yards down the field is always the right play.

 

This is the NFL dude so put down your POP Warner playbook and realize that WRs like Hurns are making $500k per year MINIMUM !!!

 

Haha exactly, preach it Hurricane!

Quote:I would like to see grades for the secondary.

Loston -1.4

Brown 0.9

McCray 0.1

House -0.6


Colvin -1.3

Gratz 0.6

Harris 1.7

Quote:Loston -1.4

Brown 0.9

McCray 0.1

House -0.6


Colvin -1.3

Gratz 0.6

Harris 1.7

Thanks!

Quote:Throwing a perfect pass and hitting an NFL WIDE RECEIVER in the hands 40 yards down the field is always the right play.

 

This is the NFL dude so put down your POP Warner playbook and realize that WRs like Hurns are making $500k per year MINIMUM !!!

 

I'm sorry. Your expertise clearly exceeds my "POP Warner playbook". And apparently, that of an NFL Pro-Bowl caliber QB who happen to know a thing or two when it comes to running a prolific offense.

Quote:Loston -1.4

Brown 0.9

McCray 0.1

House -0.6


Colvin -1.3

Gratz 0.6

Harris 1.7

Explain these oh so indicative +\- decimals to the layman, please?

Quote:Explain these oh so indicative +\- decimals to the layman, please?

Plus is good, minus is bad.

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