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...well I'm disappointed. How many highest paid players can the Seahawks afford?

Seahawks are going for another SB run. They will be in serious cap problems very soon. Look for maybe a big cut this year.

Well poop.

In the modern era of the salary cap, the old amortized signing bonus has almost gone the way of the do do bird.  Think about it.  The way contracts are structured now, they they fully guarantee some of the early years of a players contract, the years where they weren't going to be cut anyway.  this gives the players financial security in the short term and through smaller actual signing bonuses and bigger roster bonuses work out bonuses etc. there's NO LONGER MAJOR DEAD MONEY when you cut players.  When you don't have a lot of dead money, the cap is increasing exponentially, and you don't make mistakes overpaying players that aren't performing I think that in the modern era its going to be easier to keep your core together.

Quote:In the modern era of the salary cap, the old amortized signing bonus has almost gone the way of the do do bird.  Think about it.  The way contracts are structured now, they they fully guarantee some of the early years of a players contract, the years where they weren't going to be cut anyway.  this gives the players financial security in the short term and through smaller actual signing bonuses and bigger roster bonuses work out bonuses etc. there's NO LONGER MAJOR DEAD MONEY when you cut players.  When you don't have a lot of dead money, the cap is increasing exponentially, and you don't make mistakes overpaying players that aren't performing I think that in the modern era its going to be easier to keep your core together.

Yes and that is all completely true, but you will start seeing even more players holding out after 2 years of a contract because they realise they've milked it all and are only going to get around 10-15m in the last 2 years of say a 45m 4 year contract.

Quote:Yes and that is all completely true, but you will start seeing even more players holding out after 2 years of a contract because they realise they've milked it all and are only going to get around 10-15m in the last 2 years of say a 45m 4 year contract.

I still never understood that. Contracts are a joke in the nfl. They mean nothing and can be dropped at the drop of a hat. What ever happened to "you agree to this contract, you play under it" and if you want a raise you wait till it's up, not just whenever you want to.

Quote:Seahawks are going for another SB run. They will be in serious cap problems very soon. Look for maybe a big cut this year.

 

  The other major issue the Seahawks have is S Cam Chancellor is holding out.  

Quote:I still never understood that. Contracts are a joke in the nfl. They mean nothing and can be dropped at the drop of a hat. What ever happened to "you agree to this contract, you play under it" and if you want a raise you wait till it's up, not just whenever you want to.

I completely agree unfortunately that's just how it is. I expect with some of the deals that have happened win seahawks recently have been structured. Eg I inagine Russell wilsons contract has been front loaded and Wagners has been back loaded, Lynch will likely be released in 2 years time with minimal dead money as how his contract is structured too.


It's not fair the players keep asking for new deals but effectively you can also use it to manipulate contracts it's not just the players doing it it's extremely common for 28year old players to have a 6year extension or so getting released after 3/4 years.

Quote:I still never understood that. Contracts are a joke in the nfl. They mean nothing and can be dropped at the drop of a hat. What ever happened to "you agree to this contract, you play under it" and if you want a raise you wait till it's up, not just whenever you want to.

 

It gives flexibility to both players and teams. If a player is outplaying a contract, he has the power to restructure. If a player is underperforming, the team is not on the hook for the entire contract. The contracts work both ways. I would actually like to see the NBA and MLB go to NFL style contracts.

They sure love to spend money... Wonder what happems with Cam now?

And kam chancellor is a perfect example. Hes in the third year of a five year extension and theres no guarenteed money left. Hes trying for more security even more than salary.

I'd take Kam in a heartbeat...

 

No offense to Cyp but Kam is a PUNISHER.

Quote:I'd take Kam in a heartbeat...

 

No offense to Cyp but Kam is a PUNISHER.

Cyp is a poor man's Kam.

 

...a very, very poor man.

I think what will wind up in the Kam Situation is that the Seahawks will figure out a way to get him a couple million more a year over the next two years and increase the total amount of the contract that is guarenteed.  Right now if he gets hurt this year he's on the street with no back up so i think they would want to take care of him. 

 

And as stated above, these new contracts are aces for the teams, but i think that there is going to be a predictable backlash from players but the owners in their unbelievable 49-3 smackdown of the players included a provision by which every day you hold out of camp is 30k out of your pocket.  Only the top paid guys can afford that for an extended period of time.  

I think Kam will be the odd man out. If not, one of their good defensive linemen.

Quote:Seahawks are going for another SB run. They will be in serious cap problems very soon. Look for maybe a big cut this year.

 

DT Tony McDaniel was already cut. Don't expect any other important player to be gone because of Wilson's and Wagner's extensions. I also don't think cap will be a problem in the future.

 

 

Quote:I completely agree unfortunately that's just how it is. I expect with some of the deals that have happened win seahawks recently have been structured. Eg I inagine Russell wilsons contract has been front loaded and Wagners has been back loaded, Lynch will likely be released in 2 years time with minimal dead money as how his contract is structured too.


It's not fair the players keep asking for new deals but effectively you can also use it to manipulate contracts it's not just the players doing it it's extremely common for 28year old players to have a 6year extension or so getting released after 3/4 years.

 

Wilson's contract is backloaded. His cap hit for 2015 is $7M, then $18,5M and 18,8M in 2016 and 2017 before going up to $21,7M and $23,2M in 2018 and 2019.

 

I think it's pretty team friendly until 2017. And salary cap will go up to $170-180M or maybe more until 2018, so his cap hit won't be a problem then as well. We'll also get rid of Percy Harvin's and Max Unger's dead money next year (around $10M) and Lynch will most likely retire in a year or two.

 

There are no details out yet for Bobby Wagner's contract but I expect it to be constructed similar to Wilson's.

 

 

Quote:And kam chancellor is a perfect example. Hes in the third year of a five year extension and theres no guarenteed money left. Hes trying for more security even more than salary.

 

He still has $4,45M guaranteed money in 2015 and then $11,9M non-guaranteed money in 2016 and 2017. Kam was the first one of core players to get extension in 2013 and I can undestand if he feels underpaid compared to some of his teammates that got their big contracts later.

 

Pete Carroll said yesterday they are talking to him about the situation and want him back as soon as possible. I quess they'll probably convert about half of those non-guaranteed money to guaranteed and he'll be happy with that.

 

I don't think Kam has any concerns we'd cut him for performance reasons. But after injuries he and some of his friends in LOB dealt off at the end of last season Kam (and/or his agent) probably started to think about that and as you said he wants more long-term security. With three years still left on his contract I don't think he really expect to get any "new money".

 

 

Quote:I think Kam will be the odd man out. If not, one of their good defensive linemen.

 

Kam is still under contract for three years and there's no way we'll cut or trade him. 

 

And after McDaniel I don't think we can afford to let go any other D-Lineman. There was some talk about restructuring Brandon Mebane's contract before Tony McD was cut and it could still happen, but I'd be really surprised if we let Mebane go as well. If that was intent, we would already do this, as we'd saved $2,5M more with releasing Mebane instead of McDaniel.

Quote:Peter King of TheMMQB.com has a sobering stat for the week, relating to the Seahawks. He shows that the franchise has nearly $100 million per year tied up in only 10 guys. That leaves roughly $50 million (in 2015) for paying the other 43 guys on the 53-man roster, along with all the other extra players who need to be signed as members of the active roster land on injured reserve.


Five of those players now have eight-figure annual averages, up from three only three days ago. Quarterback Russell Wilson’s average burden increased by an order of magnitude (nerd), from $1.542 million to $17.82 million. Cornerback Richard Sherman remains at $14 million per year, running back Marshawn Lynch moves to $10.8 million for 2015, linebacker Bobby Wagner has increased to $10.75 million (another order-of-magnitude move), and safety Earl Thomas remains at $10 million even.

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That's crazy.