#1- browns: DE Garrett
#2- 49ers: DE/DT Allen
#3- bears: QB Tribisky
#4- browns: QB Watson
Jaguars get:
#12- Jaguars: RB Cook
#33- Jaguars: G Lamp
#35- Jaguars: SS Melifonwu
I think we can get more than just their second rounder and swap first rounders, but I like the players you got and I like trading back. Cook at 12 and Lamp at 33 would be awesome. Not sure Lamp will be there though.
I'm all for a trade down, but not for Cook.
Still wouldn't want RB at 12. OJ Howard would probably be my favorite target there.
Quote:#1- browns: DE Garrett
#2- 49ers: DE/DT Allen
#3- bears: QB Tribisky
#4- browns: QB Watson
Jaguars get:
#12- Jaguars: RB Cook
#33- Jaguars: G Lamp
#35- Jaguars: SS Melifonwu
I would expect Cleveland to make a play for Garoppolo.
Now perhaps if Cleveland pulls off that deal, maybe New England might be willing to trade up to get a player.
But even if that deal doesn't materialize, I'm not sure the Jaguars would deal down.
1. Only one GM in Jaguars history managed to trade down: Shack Harris in 2007. TC, to the best of my recollection, never traded down-especially in the first round. I don't think TC would be inclined to make a move down based on that.
2. Under your hypothetical, Cleveland trades up with us for a QB. The problem is, not too many teams immediately below us need a QB.
Tennessee picks at 5, and they have Mariota. The Jets pick at 6. They have a desperate need at QB, so if Cleveland needs to bypass someone, it would appear to be the Jets at this stage. Tennessee seemingly would be the likely trade up target at this stage.
The Chargers at 7, with a new home and a new coach and a old QB, might be in the market for a young signal caller, but they don't seem to have the ammo at this early stage to trade up.
Buffalo at 10 MIGHT be interested in a QB, depending on what happens with Taylor, but again, it's doubtful they have the ammo with which to deal up to our pick.
This likely will not shake out until draft day, but once again, it appears the Jaguars are a pick away from not having optimal trade down possibilities.
Quote:I would expect Cleveland to make a play for Garoppolo.
Now perhaps if Cleveland pulls off that deal, maybe New England might be willing to trade up to get a player.
But even if that deal doesn't materialize, I'm not sure the Jaguars would deal down.
1. Only one GM in Jaguars history managed to trade down: Shack Harris in 2007. TC, to the best of my recollection, never traded down-especially in the first round. I don't think TC would be inclined to make a move down based on that.
2. Under your hypothetical, Cleveland trades up with us for a QB. The problem is, not too many teams immediately below us need a QB.
Tennessee picks at 5, and they have Mariota. The Jets pick at 6. They have a desperate need at QB, so if Cleveland needs to bypass someone, it would appear to be the Jets at this stage. Tennessee seemingly would be the likely trade up target at this stage.
The Chargers at 7, with a new home and a new coach and a old QB, might be in the market for a young signal caller, but they don't seem to have the ammo at this early stage to trade up.
Buffalo at 10 MIGHT be interested in a QB, depending on what happens with Taylor, but again, it's doubtful they have the ammo with which to deal up to our pick.
This likely will not shake out until draft day, but once again, it appears the Jaguars are a pick away from not having optimal trade down possibilities.
I believe Arizona would be the team to deal with. Carson Palmer is on his last leg and they are desperate to find his replacement. They might be willing to trade up for a QB, but they could also sit back and let a guy like Kizer or Mahomes fall to them at #13.
Quote:#1- browns: DE Garrett
#2- 49ers: DE/DT Allen
#3- bears: QB Tribisky
#4- browns: QB Watson
Jaguars get:
#12- Jaguars: RB Cook
#33- Jaguars: G Lamp
#35- Jaguars: SS Melifonwu
I think we should get more from Cleveland if we're surrendering the 4th slot for just the 12th and 33rd slot. I want their 65th pick as well in the 3RD and a future pick in next years draft like a 2nd or 3rd at the minimum.
In this situation we'd get
#12 - Cam Robinson - OT - Alabama - Play him at RT
#33 - DeMarcus Walker - DE - Florida State
#35 - Dan Feeney - G - Indiana
#65 - Curtis Samuel - WR/RB/KR - Ohio State
#68 - Davis Webb - QB - California
Quote:Still wouldn't want RB at 12. OJ Howard would probably be my favorite target there.
How many times do people have to tell you we don't need a TE, especially in the first round? You can like O.J. Howard to death, but we need a RB who is better than our second round pick.
Quote:I think we should get more from Cleveland if we're surrendering the 4th slot for just the 12th and 33rd slot. I want their 65th pick as well in the 3RD and a future pick in next years draft like a 2nd or 3rd at the minimum.
In this situation we'd get
#12 - Cam Robinson - OT - Alabama - Play him at RT
#33 - DeMarcus Walker - DE - Florida State
#35 - Dan Feeney - G - Indiana
#65 - Curtis Samuel - WR/RB/KR - Ohio State
#68 - Davis Webb - QB - California
Cam and walker are total busts. You don't take a right tackle that high especially now in an o-line class that's so weak. Walker is severely overrated. He would have been exposed at the senior bowl. I'd rather have Hunt in the 3rd. Webb could be a decent project at QB to sit and learn for a season or two. If the browns were gonna give up their 12th and 33rd for anyone it'd be garappolo and that's pretty steep. In this scenario though, my wish list would be....
12. Solomon Thomas/Marshon lattimore/Derek Barnett
33. Forrest Lamp
35. Tredavious White
65. Kareem Hunt
68. John Johnson
Like every year we have a top 10 pick, I don't want to get out of that range without a boatload of picks in return. That would include a 2018 first rounder.
I would want a extra 3rd rounder as well.
12 - Solomon Thomas DT/DE
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">33 - Forrest Lamp OT/G
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">35 - Teez Tabor CB
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">65 - Justin Evans S/Buddha Baker S
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">68 - D'onta Foreman RB/Joe Mixon RB/Bucky Hodges TE
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">This way we can let Cyprien and Prince Walk. We can focus on signing a guard and RT in free agency. Possibly extending AR15 and Telvin. Hopefully Beachum comes back on a cheaper deal.
No matter what happens we are going to pay Allen Robinson and Telvin Smith. They are two of our best players. They also are still under contract this year.
Are you saying we should not re-sign Prince Amukamara?
Quote:#1- browns: DE Garrett
#2- 49ers: DE/DT Allen
#3- bears: QB Tribisky
#4- browns: QB Watson
Jaguars get:
#12- Jaguars: RB Cook
#33- Jaguars: G Lamp
#35- Jaguars: SS Melifonwu
I really like your scenerio and believe it is realistic that the Browns give up their 2nd rounder. I don't think they'd also part with a 3rd rounder, although maybe they could get a 2nd or 3rd for the 2018-19 draft.
The Jaguars should agree to this trade even without the extra pick. However, if Allen is still on the board at 4, they should just take him. If not, Cook would be an excellent choice at 12. I don't trust Solomon Thomas or Barnett and Cook will make life easier for Bortles. Both your 2nd rounders are great choices, although I might nitpick a little and take Budda Baker instead.
The major thing I worry about preventing this trade from happenning is the likelihood of Jimmy G. going to either the Browns or Bears. New England will probably find a way to pull off this robbery and get a future Hall of Famer with the pick they acquire.
Jimmy Garoppolo started only two games last year. I think teams are only excited about him because there are no elite QB prospects in the draft. No smart team will trade a first rounder for an inexperienced QB whose only NFL coach so far is Bill Belichick.
Quote:Jimmy Garoppolo started only two games last year. I think teams are only excited about him because there are no elite QB prospects in the draft. No smart team will trade a first rounder for an inexperienced QB whose only NFL coach so far is Bill Belichick.
This is true, but it only takes 1 dumb team to make this happen. There have been several examples of this, including when Buffalo gave up a top 10 pick for Rob Johnson whose resume was similiar to Garoppolo.
I don't want cook. I'd rather get McCaffrey in the 2nd and get out O-line right.
Quote:I don't want cook. I'd rather get McCaffrey in the 2nd and get out O-line right.
McCaffrey will not be available at #35. Some playoff teams need RBs.
Quote:I believe Arizona would be the team to deal with. Carson Palmer is on his last leg and they are desperate to find his replacement. They might be willing to trade up for a QB, but they could also sit back and let a guy like Kizer or Mahomes fall to them at #13.
Arizona definitely has the need for a long term answer at QB.
However, there are at few questions about the viability of a trade down with the Cards.
1. Do they have the ammo to move up to 4?
2. Are the Jaguars willing to move back that far?
3. Is there a QB the Cardinals would like in the first such that they'd be willing to give up a truckload of picks to get? I don't think this is a 2004 caliber QB draft, and I don't think there are any Winston or Mariota caliber guys in this draft.
4. There is talk that Carson Palmer and LF are returning this year. If true, given their age and Arians' age, they may be looking for one last playoff push. In this case, they may look for a more immediate impact position than QB in the first, and maybe take a developmental, guy they can sit for a year and learn behind Palmer.