Well, it's nice to see all these folks "assuming" the RB position has already been decided. Maybe, maybe not. The consensus among most who obviously know something that maybe Gus Bradley doesn't know himself is that Gerhart will be riding the bench throughout much of the season. For that reason alone it would be beyond cool to see him come out and kick everybody's @#$%^&*. One (ONE) season where he was hurt for most of it and all of a sudden he's pretty much considered a throw away. Bill Clinton got more love after getting caught red-handed with ML than Toby can muster up on these forums. It would be rolling on the floor hilarious to see every one of you naysayers on him have those very words force fed back to you on a plate of humble pie. You know he didn't go out and rob a bank.........his main offense is that he got hurt but apparently that is unaccpetable in the land of Jaguar. You know, when this forum goes 9-7 or 10-6 and makes the playoffs, then you can arrogantly throw players under the bus for having the audacity to get hurt.
Quote:You know, when this forum goes 9-7 or 10-6 and makes the playoffs, then you can arrogantly throw players under the bus for having the audacity to get hurt.
You hear that guys? We're starting a team!
Seriously though, I think you're taking this a bit personally...
Hoping Cyprien and Joeckel have much better seasons than last year.
In terms of just returning to the field healthy - I'm hoping we get a big "comeback" from Poz, Sen'Derrick, and Miller.
Quote:You hear that guys? We're starting a team!
Seriously though, I think you're taking this a bit personally...
Don't tell me.....tell him that. Tell him that he is not wanted around this team any longer. I just happen to know the guy and have known him since he was a sophomore playing at Norco High School and then again at Stanford. You Jaguar fans have known him what........maybe a year. And last year, after he got hurt, he was still not 100% when he came back later in the year. But, my problem is not so much that he got hurt...........it's the flippant attitude of so many that have and continue to throw this kid under the bus. Hey, if Yeldon flat out beats everyone else out of the starting position, so be it and congrats, but until the 1st game starts, predicting who is out on the field at RB........is speculative at best. But, most the ones on this forum didn't get the memo that the starting backfield hasn't been decided yet. That's all I'm saying. That's what I mean by the arrogant attitudes of some who have already written this kid off.
Quote:Well, it's nice to see all these folks "assuming" the RB position has already been decided. Maybe, maybe not. The consensus among most who obviously know something that maybe Gus Bradley doesn't know himself is that Gerhart will be riding the bench throughout much of the season. For that reason alone it would be beyond cool to see him come out and kick everybody's @#$%^&*. One (ONE) season where he was hurt for most of it and all of a sudden he's pretty much considered a throw away. Bill Clinton got more love after getting caught red-handed with ML than Toby can muster up on these forums. It would be rolling on the floor hilarious to see every one of you naysayers on him have those very words force fed back to you on a plate of humble pie. You know he didn't go out and rob a bank.........his main offense is that he got hurt but apparently that is unaccpetable in the land of Jaguar. You know, when this forum goes 9-7 or 10-6 and makes the playoffs, then you can arrogantly throw players under the bus for having the audacity to get hurt.
So...
Your vote is for Toby?
Quote:predicting who is out on the field at RB........is speculative at best.
Well that's kind of the way that works.
Maybe you should stay out of the RB threads for a bit.
Quote:Well that's kind of the way that works.
Maybe you should stay out of the RB threads for a bit.
Or, just limit my conversations to those who actually know something about football and how personnel can change on a dime. Good advice.
Quote:So...
Your vote is for Toby?
No, my vote is to allow the process of competition take care of itself and not prejudge "anyone" on what they did or didn't do last year. Unlike many who have already decided Yeldon will be thee guy. He hasn't played one down of pro ball and yet he's been crowned as thee guy before competition even opens up at this position. If he earns it...........he deserves it. But, this thread was started as WHO might be the comeback player that had a less than stellar season last year. How many got off into the Toby bashing is beyond me.
He should have placed a poll for us to vote!
Quote:No, my vote is to allow the process of competition take care of itself and not prejudge "anyone" on what they did or didn't do last year. Unlike many who have already decided Yeldon will be thee guy. He hasn't played one down of pro ball and yet he's been crowned as thee guy before competition even opens up at this position. If he earns it...........he deserves it. But, this thread was started as WHO might be the comeback player that had a less than stellar season last year. How many got off into the Toby bashing is beyond me.
Can you please point out "the many" Toby bashers?
Lol yall better leave Toby alone lol
Quote:Can you please point out "the many" Toby bashers?
The easier question to answer is list the ones who are not. Going all the way back to last year after he came back prematurely after getting hurt and clearly wasn't 100% yet......he was called slowby and just about every insult was hurled at him. Then, when he was showing signs of being healthy he had "moments" of good play while playing behind an offensive line that was suspect "at best" that DRob himself struggled with from time to time. To see all the snide remarks about TG was not only unnecessary, they weren't warranted simply because he was hurt and then played hurt. This season, if he plays and if he plays healthy, if he produces very little..........then replace him or cut him. I'm not against cutting or benching a player on performance who's healthy and simply not producing, but to throw a guy under the bus as posters have done in the past and even now isn't being fair either is it?
Quote:Lol yall better leave Toby alone lol
Toby or not to Toby, that is the question.
Quote:The easier question to answer is list the ones who are not. Going all the way back to last year after he came back prematurely after getting hurt and clearly wasn't 100% yet......he was called slowby and just about every insult was hurled at him. Then, when he was showing signs of being healthy he had "moments" of good play while playing behind an offensive line that was suspect "at best" that DRob himself struggled with from time to time. To see all the snide remarks about TG was not only unnecessary, they weren't warranted simply because he was hurt and then played hurt. This season, if he plays and if he plays healthy, if he produces very little..........then replace him or cut him. I'm not against cutting or benching a player on performance who's healthy and simply not producing, but to throw a guy under the bus as posters have done in the past and even now isn't being fair either is it?
So you're basically making claims you're unwilling to back up?
Once again, please point out for us the many Toby bashers in this thread that have you so riled up.
Quote:Joeckel or Gratz or Ace Sanders.
Based on the minicamp hype I'd agree with this. Without pads and contact, Joeckel really couldn't prove anything. I think Gratz is the most likely one to carry it into the season, Sanders is at best 4th on the WR depth chart and hasn't shown anything as a punt returner.
We have enough depth at CB and WR that the team can get by if Sanders and Gratz don't improve.
Joeckel is the one we really need to step up this year (other than Bortles, obviously). But in Joeckel's case it wouldn't be a "comeback;" one has to have had a successful season in the past to come back from.
Quote:Based on the minicamp hype I'd agree with this. Without pads and contact, Joeckel really couldn't prove anything. I think Gratz is the most likely one to carry it into the season, Sanders is at best 4th on the WR depth chart and hasn't shown anything as a punt returner.
We have enough depth at CB and WR that the team can get by if Sanders and Gratz don't improve.
Joeckel is the one we really need to step up this year (other than Bortles, obviously). But in Joeckel's case it wouldn't be a "comeback;" one has to have had a successful season in the past to come back from.
The problem for Gratz and Sanders is the play the teams two most crowded positions and at the moment they're each on the outside looking in.
Btw, agreed on the definition, which I think just about disqualifies the whole team.
Quote:Well, it's nice to see all these folks "assuming" the RB position has already been decided. Maybe, maybe not. The consensus among most who obviously know something that maybe Gus Bradley doesn't know himself is that Gerhart will be riding the bench throughout much of the season. For that reason alone it would be beyond cool to see him come out and kick everybody's @#$%^&*.
While I do see Yeldon quickly earning the starting role, I don't envision Toby just riding the bench. The Jaguars brass have indicated they'll be using a split-back set quite a bit where Toby will likely be, and may even start the game as, the second back. I'm picturing an old style pro set that the league hasn't seen much of over the past couple decades. So even if Yeldon is the bell cow, expect Toby to be on the field for plenty of snaps.
Quote:While I do see Yeldon quickly earning the starting role, I don't envision Toby just riding the bench. The Jaguars brass have indicated they'll be using a split-back set quite a bit where Toby will likely be, and may even start the game as, the second back. I'm picturing an old style pro set that the league hasn't seen much of over the past couple decades. So even if Yeldon is the bell cow, expect Toby to be on the field for plenty of snaps.
The occasional 2 back set, especially if one of them is a great blocker would be fine for a couple of plays to see if you can get anything positive out of it, but going to an old style pro set that the league hasn't seen much of over the past couple of decades is just senseless to me.
This is 2015 and the Jags need to move forward in there offensive plays, not backwards into the 1980's.
They would be way better off using a 2 TE set now that they have J Thomas, then a 2 RB set with Toby and the rookie Yeldon.
If "the joke" doesnt perform i think his days are greatly numbered.